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[MR-from-NG]

your are a LIAR and your sadistic person

GCG, If telling the truth makes me a liar and sadistic so be it. You need to accept facts and stop living in denial.

I am a Cypriot, you started this argument with demands that I leave the island and go back to Turkey. I have noticed you have now changed your tune and seem to be demanding the settlers leave Cyprus and go back to Turkey. You seem to be prepared to tolerate TC's. This is an indication that some of what your fellow GC's are telling you are finally getting through to that thick head of yours. Stay on the forum and educate yourself more, one day you will learn to accept the truth as some decent GC's on the forum obviously has.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

kikapu

The actions by both sides since 1963 until present have created people like you on both sides

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there is no both sides kikapu if your in the street and somebody comes and attacks you unprovoked you fight back you dont say both are at fault

same as in Cyprus ottomans invaded us first in 1571 ok it might be a long time ago but the point is we where attacked first by the turks so how can you say its both sides when you attacked us first ?

[Kikapu]

kikapu

The actions by both sides since 1963 until present have created people like you on both sides

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there is no both sides kikapu if your in the street and somebody comes and attacks you unprovoked you fight back you dont say both are at fault

same as in Cyprus ottomans invaded us first in 1571 ok it might be a long time ago but the point is we where attacked first by the turks so how can you say its both sides when you attacked us first ?

GreekCyprusGurl_UK,

You are one of the persons that belong in the " Pirates & Company stuck in 1571" that I wrote about. Try to live in the present and not in the past. No point going beyond 1960. The whole truth as to what happened is there. You just need to open your mind, not only your eyes and ears.

[pantheman]

There has been gigabytes of stuff said on this topic so i would just like to make some statment of fact :
1. It is Turkies national defence policy that has required Cyprus to be under Turkish rule
2. Turkey was the ones who invaded cyprus (more on this below)
3. It is Turkey that has violated human rights and ignored numerous UN resolutions (with no consequences i might add)
4. It is Turkey that has ethnically cleansed GC
5. It is Turkey that is illegally selling/developing GC properties in the North.
6. It was Turkey that decided to open up the borders when it suited THEM
7. It was Turkey that has stationed 40,000 or so troops (illegally) in the island
8. It was Turkey that has violated international law by displacing main land turkish people to the occupied territories
9. It was UK and USA that enabled Turkey to get to where she is in Cyprus, cos they want to be here.
10 It is Turkey that is here and won't go
11. It is Turkey that is preventing GC going home to their properties, because she make alot of money selling stolen goods to the Brits and others (and they bloody well know it)
12. It is Tony Blairs wife (of all people) who is defending the Orams (why the hell is she ? I don't care if she is a barrister and has a job to to, she is still the British PMs wife and has higher obligations) Of course since the UK wants this to happen then they just let it.
13. Cyprus will never be independent (because the USA and the UK won't let it be so)
14. There have been bad egg GC that have caused alot of this problem to happen (I say hang them)
15. The military junta in greece at the time was driven by none other than the USA CIA (Fact - I understand that many would not beleive this) The reason this whole enosis crap started in the first place was a smoke screen to pave the way for Turkey to enter cyprus in the first place.
16. Only the UK wants Turkey in the EU (why the gut busting Tony to get them in?) Its ok i can guess
17. Only Turkey has been allowed to violate the UN resolutions without consequence, because the USA say so. If it were iraq or yugoslavia they would have been bombed to bits by now.

There are loads more but i have had enough, i think you get the picture.

As for item (2) above. OK so Turkey feels the need to intervene, accepted, but bloody nora, 32 years later and they still feel this need ? Come on, pull the other one it has bells on it !

They could have come in sorted it and left.

I understand there is bad blood on both sides, but please, please dont ask me to bend over, take it up the bournville route and then be thankful. Or worst still make out the TC are the victims here. It is Turkey that is here, it is Turkey posing the military threat with her troops, it is Turkey stopping any resolution taking place until the GC hand over the Island. I know, we have the Anan plan, yes, i know of it it was written by the british, for the Turkish, under the auspices of the Americans. Do you honestly think that it was suited to the GC ? Hardly, even Kofi himself has admitted it was a load of crap and that the GC could not possible agree to it.

Again the GC were made to look the bad guys again, courtesy of UK, now the TC are having aniversaries over their YES vote. Of course they will, the GC were being asked to sell their souls for them why wouldn't they vote Yes.

I have gone on for too long here so i end it with these words :

Turkish troops out of cyprus
Illegal settlers out of Cyprus
Illegal Foriegn investors forfeit their stolen properties (legal TC transaction excepted)
British troops out of Cyprus

Let the cypriots sort them selves out (peacefully) Yes, peacefully, this is the 21st century there is no mass murdering going on here for gods sake.

I pray one day to visit my familys home without the need to seek permission from no one.

Pantheman

[MR-from-NG]

Panthema,

If this was a movie scenario the audience would not have a f*****g clue what it was about. Its all very well explaining the events of recent times, but why not give us a wider picture, tell us how it all started.

[pantheman]

Hi mrfromng,

I thought it was (in your own words) f*****g obvious, Turkey wanted to get Cyprus, used all the bulls***t excuses about Enosis and the like and did the taking. Anyone, can see that surely. How it started is spelled out in the list of facts. Come on, what do you want blood. I say it one more time, it is Turkey that is the aggressor, they came to cyprus. Now they should leave. I don't understand what it is you are looking for here.

The facts are the facts, not just my opinion, they are there for all to see. Please tell me a differnt set of facts if you must, and help me understand because from where i am standing, thats how it looks. Only the blind don't see. (the blind being the people who have interests to gain in this whole sorry mess)

Pantheman.

[MR-from-NG]

Pantheman,

Your film is far from a complete picture. It starts like this.

The Junta had it in their hearts to unite Cyprus with Greece, Nicos Sampson and the EOKA scumbags attacked innocent TC's, totally defenceless man women and children. Many hundreds were killed. Another week or two not a single scum of a Turk would have been left on island and our goal would have been achieved. But the poor TC's after much begging to its big brother convinced them to intervene and put a stop to the slaughter of these poor defenceless people.

Your theory that Turkey had this planned is stupid and nothing more than the invention of your warped imagination.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

mrfromng

I am a Cypriot, you started this argument with demands that I leave the island and go back to Turkey. I have noticed you have now changed your tune and seem to be demanding the settlers leave Cyprus and go back to Turkey. You seem to be prepared to tolerate TC's. This is an indication that some of what your fellow GC's are telling you are finally getting through to that thick head of yours. Stay on the forum and educate yourself more, one day you will learn to accept the truth as some decent GC's on the forum obviously has.

Sorry if I'm getting personal here but may I suggest you get yourself a man to give you a good seeing to to get the frustration out of your venomous body

mrfrogmn yes i am prepared to tolerate Turkish Cypriots even thought i dont trust them i have to tolerate them for peace sake even though there ancestors where the invaders from 1571 and all they done since is cause trouble for greeks. but i do not see all the Turkish Cypriots as victims as not all TC where victims also some the TMT was a turkish Cypriot terrorist group that wanted Cyprus to unite with Turkey they killed lots of greeks Cypriots and your tellnig me all the TC are victims how many greek Cypriots did the Turkish Cypriots masscre along with the turkish army?

you are a liar mrfromng you act as if Greek Cypriots went on killing rampage some turkish Cypriots where killed by EOKA B but you have the nerve to blame innocent greek Cypriots like my parents who never ever harmed a Turk Cypriot before 1974 you think becasue a few TC where killed by EOKA you think it justifys Turkey invading and commiting genocide agaisnt 7000 greeks thats why you are a sadistic pig and you make me sick i doubt you want to see Cyprus united only reason you want it united now is so you can join the EU so turkey can ruin the EU just like they ruined Cyprus everywhere you turks went you ruined countrys the balkens you killed armenians you kill the kurds you killed the assyrians your damn country turkey was built on genocide

And dont try and personaly insult me just becasue i see you for what you are

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

mrfromng

Your theory that Turkey had this planned is stupid and nothing more than the invention of your warped imagination.

turkey planned to invade Cyprus let me show you some quotes of what some famous Turks have said

Rauf Denktash himself who stated Milliyet" 7.23.85 said: "Naturally Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus. It is fortunate for Turkey that the Turkish Cypriot community exists here. Even if the Turkish Cypriot community did not exist, Turkey would not have left Cyprus to Greece.

Professor Dervis Manizade in an article in the Istanbul daily "Milliyet" 7.20.78 quoted Attaturk as saying while addressing military commanders:

"Pay attention to Cyprus, this island is important to us."



Ali Nesim reported in "Dogus"9.20.84 "Ataturk, replying to a question on Cyprus after the annexation of Alexandretta said: The turn of Cyprus has not yet come."

The Turkish journalist and historian A. Gurkan, more recently in "Kibris Postasi" (12.20.83) put it quite succintly when he said
Speaking from a purely strategic point of view we could say that for Turkey's security, a safe Cyprus is a Cyprus which would be, in its entirety, under Turkish control."

[pantheman]

mrfromng, there is no point debating anything with you. You only see and hear what you want. I put the facts in front of you, you couldn't argue them because they are the truth, so you resort to abuse.

Pity, if you are typical turkish/turkish cypriot thinking, what chance has the poor GC in any negotiation with you.

You only want what you only want and you know with the USA support you might actually get it.

Can you see you are being used by the USA ? They don't give 2 F**ks about turkey, they only need your land to do their dirty deeds again. You need to wake up and smell the coffee otherwise you will - like the GC - take a shafting too.

I have not imagined anything, its fact, you know it because you can't argue it. Poor TCs mass murdered, yeah i don't hear poor (even more) mass murdered, as i said you only see what suits you and thats just typical.

Pantheman