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[michalis5354]

What does it cost him to send a letter to UN asking for new rounds of talk based on a comprehensive plan including worldwide principles and afeguarding the rights of TCs acquired in 1960. The UN will not deny this. Turkey has no reason to deny either. Turkey claims it is Papadopoulos who have rejected the last UN plan so the decision and actions should come from Papa.

[andri_cy]

Growup you called me a papa hater but this is not the case.

Actually he said for all the pap haters out there. He didnt say you were one but it does seem you dont like him.

[Viewpoint]

Turkey can pull her troops out if and when the people of Cyprus can prove to be able to live together. Once the troops leave and if the s*** hits the fan again, there won't be a possibilty to intervene on the behalf of the Turks, since Cyprus now being in the EU club and the "attack one, attack all rule". This may give the hardliners new ideas agains the Turks, and the EU will see this as an internal affair. Build the trust and the peace will follow.

Trust among the people is not the core of the problem my friend! There is no T/C in his right sense that believes the G/Cs are up to attacking the T/Cs for any reason whatsoever. This has even been proved already during the last 3 years in which the Turkish occupational regime has opened the iron curtain that it established in the north since 1974 and allowed contact among the people of the two communities. This theory that is all a mater of trust among the members of the two communities towards each other, is all a pile of rubbish! It is a mere made up-excuse and a pretext! The hundreds of T/Cs that visit hospitals in the south every day, do not have a problem of non-trusting the G/Cs that they will kill them or poison them, or give them the wrong medication. The thousands of T/Cs that cross south every day and work in G/C companies, do not have a trust problem that they will be ambushed and murdered by their G/C colleagues, or that they will be left unpaid at the end of the month. The thousands of T/Cs that cross south every day for shopping and recreation do not have such a fear either. The few tens of T/C pupils that were given scholarships or pay to attend some schools in the south, like the English school and some others, do not have a fear that they will be killed or beaten by other G/C school pupils, not their parents do so for letting their children cross south alone. It is all rubbish, a big rubbish I must add!

Neither do the 2,5 million tourists that visit the south every year do have a problem of being murdered by the vicious G/Cs, nor the 30 or so thousand of foreign residents that live in the south, nor the 10-15 thousands of foreign students mostly from Islamic countries that study in colleges in the south, nor the close to 60 thousand foreign workers from Sri-Lanka, Philippines and Bangladesh that work in the south are afraid of being murdered or hurt by the G/Cs, not the 15 thousands that applied for political asylum from the RoC do fear such a thing happening to them!

Nor should we be constantly supposed to be trying to prove that we are not elephants in this country -only because some people who have no idea where Cyprus falls about, but yet still think they can talk about its problem, only in order to make propaganda against the us; wish us to do so!

Well done, so all credit to the current situation which is actually working? are we living together as pre 1974? are we sharing political power? are we dominated by a GC numerical majority? For comparison we have living together as one people pre 1974 and living divided 1974 onwards, which do you feel has been more sucessful?

[Kikapu]

Turkey can pull her troops out if and when the people of Cyprus can prove to be able to live together. Once the troops leave and if the s*** hits the fan again, there won't be a possibilty to intervene on the behalf of the Turks, since Cyprus now being in the EU club and the "attack one, attack all rule". This may give the hardliners new ideas agains the Turks, and the EU will see this as an internal affair. Build the trust and the peace will follow.

Kifeas,
I was very careful in only accusing "the hardliners" that may not be trusted. Please read the quote again. As I said before, I have not met a Greek person that I have not liked yet.

[Kikapu]

Turkey can pull her troops out if and when the people of Cyprus can prove to be able to live together. Once the troops leave and if the s*** hits the fan again, there won't be a possibilty to intervene on the behalf of the Turks, since Cyprus now being in the EU club and the "attack one, attack all rule". This may give the hardliners new ideas agains the Turks, and the EU will see this as an internal affair. Build the trust and the peace will follow.

Trust among the people is not the core of the problem my friend! There is no T/C in his right sense that believes the G/Cs are up to attacking the T/Cs for any reason whatsoever.

Maybe because the "40,000 pound Gorrilla" is nearby.

[Dee]

I didn't read many of the post (damn A.D.D.) but the Turkish troops have absolutly no right being in Cyprus. Or wait how would the Turkish feel if we agreed to allow a Turkish base if only they allowed a Greek base in Turkey? Weather it's pride or military importance the Turkish military needs to be removed from Cypriot soil.

[kalahari]

You're right – the army of occupation does have to be removed frm Cypriot soil. But you have to take into account that Turkey will not allow itself to be humiliated, and after such a long time in stalemate, climbing down and just removing all of their troops will be seen as weakness and also stupidity – after all, they have spent many years rationalisong their position in Cyprus to the Turkish people and the rst of the world. If they just lifted out and went, the Turkish Goverment would be seen as weak by everybody.

Are you going to tell me that it would be seen as an act of nobility and received in an honourable way by all of the Greek Cypriot community? Yes by the majority, but there will be a minority that would not be able to resist standing on the shores of North Cyprus, bareing their arses to Turkey and shouting "We showed you! Now piss off and don't come back!"

You know I'm right.

So, we have to propose something that will allow Turkey to be seen to withdraw with honour.

My proposal is:

1) Turkey agrees to withdraw the army of occupation amd return the sovereignty of the illegally occupied territory to Cyprus.

2) The Greek Cypriot community apologises formally to Turkish Cypriots and to Turkey for the atrocities committed by EKOS to their people.

3) The Turkish Government and the Turkish Cypriot community apologises formally for the atrocities committed by the army of occupation and by the TMT. (It might be a nice gesture if Mr Denktas was the spokesman for the TC's.)

4) The newly reformed government of The United Republic of Cyprus issues a formal unilateral pardon to all Cypriot people and to the government of Turkey for any war-crimes or acts of terrorism.

5) The United Republic of Cyprus adopts three official languages, in alphabetical order these are English, Greek and Turkish. The teaching of all three official languages in schools is mandatory.

6) The United Republic of Cyprus adopts a new national anthem, with a chorus that has the same line repeated in the three official languages.

7) In the United Republic of Cyprus it is mandatory to fly the Cypriot flag from any municipal or government property, and only this flag.

The United Republic of Cyprus adopts a national motto, along the lines of "Freedom and Peace for all Cypriots".

9) The United Republic of Cyprus formally invites its Turkish allies to have a strategic military base on Cypriot soil. The garrison should number no more than that of the British military base on Cyprus, and the base should abide by the same rules as the British base does currently.

You will note that I have avoided mentioning property and the composition of government. But don't worry, I'm working on those. I will come up with a plan, promise.

Love, Kal

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

kalahari

1) Turkey agrees to withdraw the army of occupation amd return the sovereignty of the illegally occupied territory to Cyprus.

9) The United Republic of Cyprus formally invites its Turkish allies to have a strategic military base on Cypriot soil. The garrison should number no more than that of the British military base on Cyprus, and the base should abide by the same rules as the British base does currently

kalahari first you say turkey should withdraw its army from Cyprus then you say we should give Turkey a military base i thought you said turkey should remove its Army from Cyprus? you really have no idea what your talking about kalahari

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

the only place turkey can have its military base is in hell as far as i am concerned

[Dee]

Bud why the hell should the Greek Cypriots apologize?????? After all it is Turkey that invaded as a country. You ask for a unilateral pardon for all who commited war crimes, you ask for that because you know that Turkey and many Turkish Cypriots would be found guilty, I say send everyone who can be charged to the slaughter that's why we have laws and regulations, to protect the people not to give exceptions, all responsible parties must pay for their doings. I agree with you on the languages, I agree with you on the flag (by the way the Cypriot flag was drawn up by a Turkish Cypriot, and why don't we see any in the north? Cause you guy's would probably get fried by the Turks if you fllew it!) But HELL NO, NO TURKISH TROOPS ON CYPRIOT SOIL!!! There presence here is is unjustified and illigal.