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[miltiades]

Let our politicians , take a lesson from Nelson Mandela on being inaugurrated on May 10th 1994 as South Africa's first black president ." Let there be justice for all.Let there be peace for all.The time for the healing of wounds has come."
As Kalahari posted , lets begin building bridges ,and as Malaka posted , let us put an end to the dark stories of Greek and Turkish Cypriot human tragedies. Im optimistic more so now than ever before that We ,the true inhabitants of Cyprus , Greek and Turkish , will soon demand that FOREIGN Troops get the hell out of our country , and I dont mean The British . They are in Cyprus not as an occupying force , and do contribute to the economy of Cyprus , as well as providing employment for hundreds of our compatriots.
Long may Cyprus prosper for the benefit of all its inhabitants.
From MILTIADES AFTER A FEW GLASSES OF WINE .

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

cypezokyli

as for "history is history". if you ever actually bothered with history the first think you realise is that there is no history out there - there are histories. in a history book you dont read history you read historians. it is the opinion of the person who wrote it , nothing more nothing less.
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if you think that force is the only solution , what is the point of participating in this forums actually ?
what do you think the purpose of this forums actually are ?

Cypezokyli you say there is no history because its convinient for you to say theres no history but your history tells me what your Turk ancestors where and it dont suprise me that you want to say theres no history as you have already destroyed the greek history in north cyprus and changed names of villages so you now you say theres no history.

Cypezokyli you are a hypocrite it was convinent for you turks to use force to ethnic cleanse greeks and force people out but you say force is wrong.

why do you participate in those forum why you use this forum for a platform to Support the Turkish occupation of Cyprus

[cypezokyli]

cypezokyli

as for "history is history". if you ever actually bothered with history the first think you realise is that there is no history out there - there are histories. in a history book you dont read history you read historians. it is the opinion of the person who wrote it , nothing more nothing less.
..............
if you think that force is the only solution , what is the point of participating in this forums actually ?
what do you think the purpose of this forums actually are ?

Cypezokyli you say there is no history because its convinient for you to say theres no history but your history tells me what your Turk ancestors where and it dont suprise me that you want to say theres no history as you have already destroyed the greek history in north cyprus and changed names of villages so you now you say theres no history.

what a typical answer. even though i just presented the cypriot national poem
anyway, ask piratis. he can verify whether i am a gc or not.... unless i am turk agent who can use both greek and gc dialect.... take care... it could be that you are currently messing with the deep state....

in all parts of the world that there has been fighting usually each side has its own "history". if you are not in a position to undersdand that , then use the argument "you are a turk" .
it works everytime one wants to avoid giving or has no answer.

to be exact , if you see how many schools of historians there are out there, perhaps you might realise that historians hardly ever agree on history, the way all mathematicians accept pythagoras law.


as for the turks: the ottomans (if we want to be exact) didnot destroy the greek history of cyprus. what kind of history have you been reading ? they allowed the cypriot population to speak greek and practise its religion. moreover the ottoman empire didnot got involved in mass destruction of ancient greek monuments .
just to avoid having an answer of the type : so the gc lived happily under the ottoman empire ?
thats a typical answer to sth i have not said.
the ottomman empire , was precisely an empire and it acted as one. no empire ever had any altruistic tendencies

if you are really interested in the destruction of ancient greek culture you might start with the "christians".
take a walk in athens and pick any of the anti-jewish books that are around. you might be surprised how much greek literature refers to the desctruction of hellenism by the jewish religion... oops i meant christianism...
its one of the most popular markets in greece.

Cypezokyli you are a hypocrite it was convinent for you turks to use force to ethnic cleanse greeks and force people out but you say force is wrong.

thank you for your kind remarks.
could i ask you to post exactly where i wrote that ?
should i expect an answer to that gcgirl ?

why do you participate in those forum why you use this forum for a platform to Support the Turkish occupation of Cyprus

i participate in these forums bc :

i believe have learned a lot concerning cyppro itself

i believe i have learned a lot on how different tcs think (their views are also not uniform either) - which has a chaotic difference from what i thought (or i was told) they thought


in some extreme cases where forum members do not just recycle the same arguments, they do not repeat their own point of view of history and/or not swearing at each others, there have been some proposal discussions regarding the cyppro..... and those proposals had nothing to do with war or force......believe it or not

i have used the forums as platforms to come into contact or even meet with people , both gcs and tcs....even germans
what this meetings have shown to me is....... i do not want to destroy the fairy tale that denktash told you....excuse me your highly "objective " sources (even though the similarities never stop amazing me) ... but greeks , turks , greekcypriots and turkishcypriiots can be friends, and in many cases we are friends.

[michalis5354]

you have to believe that change is possible and achievable by peaceful means or you might as well shoot yourself and get it over with.

agree:

------Never say "I can't .Overcome that Fear by substitute the following " I can do all things through the power of my subconcious mind" ----------

------Think good and good follows.Think Evil and evil follows. You are what you think all day long. -------

------Begin to think from the standpoint of eternal truths and principles of life and not from the standpoint of fear, ignorance and superstition-----

Taken from my book - "The power of your subconcious mind" written by Dr Joseph Murphy. Recommended


After some glasses of Ginger Wine!

Good analysis Cypezokyli!

[kalahari]

Quote:
Dr. Mehmet Ozcan from USAK (International Strategic Research Organization) says that Turkey's fullmembership should be more important to Greece and the EU than the Greek Cyprus' membership: "Because Turkey with 75 million population and with the 17th biggest economy in the world Turkey has a great potential which cannot be compared with the Greek Cyprus. No one should sacrifice Turkey to the Greek Cyprus" Dr. Ozcan added.

In my humble opinion, Turkish membership of the EU is probably the most important and necessary membership to date – for a number of reasons, but most of them being linked to the maintenance of peace.

I too am optimistic about Turkey's economic contribution to the EU, but let's not kid ourselves that it is going to be anything other than a long time before the other member nations start to see these particular benefits.

In any case, this must be offset against the situation as we find it today, and that is that Turkey, the nation, has no right to have an army of occupation on Cypriot soil, so must withdraw and stop recognising this Turkish invention of "Turkish independent state of Northern Cypriot people with a big stick hanging over their heads because we won't leave" – or whatever they've decided to call it.

Personally I think it's a great way of paying your defence budget. Just shove a sizeable chunk of your military into a neigbouring territory, declare it an independent nation and get the locals to pay for it! Yay!

"No one should sacrifice Turkey to the Greek Cyprus."

Meaning I suppose that Cyprus (because that's its name you see, Cyprus, no Greek at the front, despite this Turkish propensity for renaming territories) is less important than Turkey? That Turkey, being bigger, can do what it likes and be excused? That Turkey is worth having on board whether it plays by the rules or not? You see, Dr Mehmet Ozcan, it's precisely because of opinions like that that Turkey is viewed with such suspicion by other member nations.

Something will have to give, and one of the tings will have to be this attitude.

[Andreja]

17th biggest economy!!!???
i will number you countries which have bigger than turkey:USA,France,Netherlands,India,China,Indonesia,Thailand,Germany,Austria,Swiss,UK,Japan,Brasil,Italy,Australia,Russia,Norway,Saudi Arabia,Canada...

[MR-from-NG]

I just got back from a short trip to Cyprus. It is obvious that the vast majority of TC's are still for reunification and peace on the island. Looking at the posts on the subject it seems the majority of GC's feel the same.

THANK GOD THE LIKES OF GREEKCYPRIOTGURL AND MALAKA ARE IN THE MINORITY.

These type of people are the ones that have problems getting on with their own families let alone with another race.

Lets hope they have no intention of ever returning to Cyprus.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

mrfromng

THANK GOD THE LIKES OF GREEKCYPRIOTGURL AND MALAKA ARE IN THE MINORITY

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who says we are in the minority? its you and people who think like you whos in the minority people like you who support injustice and want to reward the thieve turks are in the minority. lots of greeks want the Turks out of Cyprus and there homes back

[MR-from-NG]

greekcypriotgurl, you have very thick skin. Your fellow Greeks have put you in your place on many occasions. I have seen many posts to support this. I will not bother discussing this further with you. You are far too ignorant.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

mrfromng just becasue theres a few people on this forum who say they are greeks but really they are turks do you think i am stupid enough to fall for it my fellow greeks want you turks out of Cyprus they want the occupation to end and please dont call me ignorant i know what your about