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[Natty]

[zoppovortoi]

Officially there was not an ethnic cleansing line from EOKA.

But maybe you haven’t heard about the Makarios madness:

He has said:

Until this small Turkish community dismisses.

This part of the Turk race.

This fearful enemy of Hellenism.

The duty of the Heroes of EOKA will not be able to fulfill.

He was said the above at 4/9/62


EOKA didn’t bring as any good and is the main reason for our situation.

Because they’ve bring a nationalistic bullshit present it like a fight against Brits but this was the half of the true.

There isn’t a similar example of a similar terrorist organization woldwide.

[Kartal_Aetos]

and mario has just proved what i have been trying to say all this time with that little quote from makarios....but by hiding this stuff from the GC's, they have made EOKA 'heroes' and angels in the eyes of the GC people...

[Natty]

Hey, I don't personally think that the EOKA leaders were "heroes" so to speak, and the only one that I ever new about was afksentiou, who was burned alive by the British, they basically made him a martyer (I actually don't know how to spell that....total mindblock, sorry..) I'm sure their were extremists whithin the organisation, but the majority fought, as they believed for their country, against the British....You know?

[Bananiot]

Probably, Greek Cypriots were justified to go for enosis. We constituted the majority in Cyprus by far and enosis was un unfulfilled aspiration which was also flamed by promises by the Brits when the second world war broke out and the allies were looking for broad support.

However, let us get into the shoes of the Turkish Cypriots, so that we can understand their fears. In 1915, Crete was annexed to Greece. Ninety thousand turkish-speaking Cretans (a proud people) were forced to relocate and today not a single soul remains in Crete. If I were a Turkish Cypriot, I would be seriously worried about the possibility of Cyprus joining with Greece.

Thus, in the fifties, it seems, we took decisions by ourselves, completely ignoring the concerns of the other big communityand in essence we alienated the Turkish Cypriots who would have been a willing partner, had we set more realistic and appealing targets. Needless to say that the tactics chosen at the time were completely wrong and basically divided Cyprus into three. The right, the left and the Turkish Cypriots. Luckily, the Maronites and Latins were too few to ... matter.

[fox]

I agree with you Bananiot, Enosis should never have even been a consideration.

But the T.C's have got a cheek considering that they took a back seat during the EOKA.

[Bananiot]

Well, they found themselves in a very precarious situation. But, we need to differentiate betwen the mederate TC's and the extremists. The latter could now speak to their community with a louder voice and appear more convincing since even AKEL opted for enosis and only enosis as the slogan said at the time. The Brits started recruiting Turkish Cypriots for their epicurian unit and that was that. The writing was on the wall there after.

[miltiades]

Bananiot , the G/Cs were justified as you say to go for Enosis since we were all brainwashed about our "motherland who in 1915 when the British offered us to Greece on a plate , our "motherland" and the King took one look at us and flatly rejected the offer. We poor bastards still hanged on the idea of Enosis , the Brits were quite upset since they wanted to establish the Cypriot identity as the predominant one in Cyprus. Have a read at the following:
In a further attempt to gain Greek support for Serbia, Sir Edward Grey offered, on October 16, to transfer Cyprus to Greece. But eight days later the new Greek government of Alexander Zaimis, backed by the king, formally refused the offer. The British foreign secretary's initiative, agreed upon at an informal meeting of the 'War Committee', was criticised both in the cabinet and in the House of Commons for having been taken without proper cabinet consultation. But, in fact, as Roy Jenkins points out in his biography of Asquith, the Cyprus offer had been thoroughly discussed by the cabinet in January 1915. George V's secretary, Lord Stamfordham, had then written to Asquith:

The King desires me to express the earnest hope that the Government will, on further consideration, decide to support Sir E. Grey's proposal and offer Cyprus to Greece on condition of her joining the Allies. . .. Financially Cyprus is I suppose a loss to this country. Strategically, HM understands that it has proved a failure, the harbours impracticable and ships obliged to lie off six miles from the coast."

The excuse I can viably make for Greece is that having been under the Turks for , is it 440 or 480 years ?
and having survived on a constant feed of nationalistic pride , democracy , philosophy , they were unable to appreciate Cyprus since many of the Greeks at the time had very little respect for the Cypriots whom they considered to be second rate Greeks.
As far as Turkey is concerned we are all aware that in 1923 at Lausanne ( is my spelling correct ) she renounced all claims on Cyprus , a fact that many T/Cs might not be aware. So there you are .The two "motherlands's " impressive curriculum vitae on Cyprus : REJECTION OF CYPRUS A HISTORICAL FACT.
Now both scoundrels get the hell out of Cyprus.

[Bananiot]

Miltiades, we need to consider the policies of serious nations now. Greece was never a serious nation. Its doing much better nowdays, especially after Simitis. The Greek policies of the past were not products of collective thinking and changed every time there was a change in power, either democratically or as a result of a coup. You know very well how rediculously often power changed. Each time it meant an upturning of foreign as well as internal policy. Half of Greece supported the Germans, the other half the English. Then there were those that looked to Moscow and later those that saw an alliance with France as the only way forward. Then, things got very complicated after the cold war when Greece found itself in the midst of a bloody civil war. In 1915 Cyprus was offered to Greece, but of course at the time, the priorities were different. It had nothing to do with us Cypriots being leser Greeks but it had to do with Megali Idea and the cupture of Constantinople. After all, those were glorious years and the size of Greece almost doubled by succesfull war campaigns that dealt a hard blow on the body of the ailing Ottoman Empire.

[malaka]

1- we needed to restore our infrastructure...we needed builders, doctors, engineers etc. after the war > settlers
2- YOU probably live in MY house too...it works both ways but ur too arrogant to see that
3- Ethnic cleansing was started by EOKA long before turkish army intervened but its always nicer to see ur own terrorists as angels and blame everything on the other side isnt it
4- what makes me think u need to earn my trust is that unless i trust u, we can't live together = no resolution...but what do u care, ur going to have majority status...its not like ur future will ever be in jeopardy will it...


if u still insist that the turkish army where there for ethnic cleansing long before EOKA, read the books i told u to read...im sure u'll learn sumfin new...hell, im sure u'll learn something ABOUT CYPRUS...

1. You are illegally occuping the land you want to rebuild.Settlers are only there to change the demographics of the island no other reason.
NO BODY RECOGNISES TRNC BUT TURKEY
2. You can have your house back and all other TC houses but will you give my house back and all the others you are the arogant one you steel grab land bring thousands of settlers then want to negotiate HELLO
3. 200000 refuges forced out at gun point justifies what a hand full of GC done so you are saying every one of the 200000 people are terrorists you hold the entire population responsible do you.
4.As far as I am concerned the island can stay devided Who in there right mind would negotiate with criminals cause at the end of the day that is all it boils down too You steel my car I want it back not negotiable

5 Dont beleive everything you read

6 WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND