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[malaka]

Sorry Andry I dont take one side. This is the reason I offer a FAIR compensation scheme that will reflect the value of the GC possessions pre 1974.

Andry the TC land in North was limited. The TCs were mostly living in the South pre 1974. Based on your logic they should have sit down and wait and do nothing!

The same applies to the TC properties in the South Andry. Also The TCs will be compensated. There are GCs living in TC houses in the South also. How do you deal with these?

If anyone has the right to go back to his house pre 1974 then the whole bizonal concept that was accepted in 1977 will be serioulsy altered. Isnt Bizonal Bicommunal Federation our target?

Bizonal Bicommunal Federation is your target not mine
United Cyprus for all cypriots is mine

[kalahari]

Kalahari you have driven way off the track.
Read my post again.
All GC & TC legall owners south/ north get their properties back
If a greek built on a TC piece of land he has done that illegally he loses it same goes around for if a Turk done the same.

If a GC lives in TC house vice versa they both get out and the legall owner
gets his house back.
Why are you jumping up and down all of sudden backing TC and calling GC repossessors

I still do not get it TURKEY IS ILLEGALLY OCCUPING CYPRUS THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT AND YET YOU SUPPORT THAT ??????

Malaka my friend, I am in complete agreement with you that Turkey is illegally occupying Cyprus. If you read any of my posts you'll know that to be the case (and I know you have, my friend).

What I am saying in the previous post is this: your scenario will never happen (fact), could never happen (fact), and (in my opinion) should never happen. It would be, literally, impossible to happen, and the upheaval, grief, bloodshed and hatred it would generate would be so totally counter-productive that the island would probably be plunged into an even greater civil war than before.

All so that you can move back from Oz? Hell, you can do that now if you really want to. Nobody would stop you.

Unless it is, after all, just the compensation you're interested in?

[kalahari]

When it comes to international law one should not put one's personal interests first. That's why it's called "international law". If one puts one's personal interests first in international law one is what we call a "dictator" or "fascist" (or just plain bloody selfish). (Chavez is doing night classes in these topics right now.)

So you put your personal interests first?

Personally I think you should not. International law should be applied to everybody without any double standards.

Now if you really are keen on letting all those repossessors leap all over the North Island, gaily repossessing properties off those nasty TCs, then you are going to have to allow those nasty TCs the right to leap all over the southern part as well, repossessing their property right back off the GCs who now (I'm guessing here) currently occupy their villages. (You do seem to be rather keen on human rights, after all.)

Why are you calling TCs "nasty"? Are you racist?
Beyond that, thats exactly what I always said. GCs get back their own properties, TCs get back their own. Human rights applied 100% for everybody. Do you disagree?

Of course, never myself having actually been to Cyprus yet, it is entirely possible that you will tell me that the Greek Cypriot community have been looking after the TC's lands exactly as they left them. Sort of "house-sitting" for them. Taking the papers in, occasionally pushing the vacuum cleaner around, that sort of thing. But I'm just guessing that they haven't.

Of course not. Why should the GCs that were forced out of their homes with the Turkish Invasion do house cleaning to the properties of TCs? Those properties are still there waiting for TCs and they were not given to foreigners or to GCs (only for temporary use). But house cleaning is a bit too much to expect don't you think?
TCs and Turkey should have simply allowed GCs to go back to their own homes, and TCs to their own, so everybody would do the house cleaning of his own home. Unfortuantely Turkey and the majority of TCs insist on illegality.

And how will those GCs greet the TCs when they turn up with their by now extended families to say: "Hi! We're back guys! Would you mind awfully clearing off now, cos we've just been turfed out of North Cyprus – you know, that place we had to run off to because the Turks invaded us too in 1974. We didn't ask them to, you understand, but because Nicos Sampson was trying out his BeBe gun on us (and on you too incidentally) we felt we'd better move north and quickly."

Greek Cypriots will greet the TCs and will say: "forgive us for our mistakes and crimes, as we forgave you for your 100 times more crimes against us" Then TCs and GCs will return to their own homes.

But maybe it's not actually about the land at all? Maybe it's not about the old farmstead as it stood in 1974 with its hot and cold running goats and olive plantation that didn't produce everything you were hoping for. Maybe it's actually about the compensation. Maybe it's not so much about homeland and more about ker-ching.

I don't know what "kr-shing" is. But is obviously about returning to the homeland that we were ethnically cleansed from 32 years ago.

In which case, the TCs will have to be compensated too. But that wouldn't be fair now would it? No. Because they're the bad guys. No, we'd rather live in a world where international law and human rights are written to suit our own interests better.

Who said that? They own to us about 7billion in damages, and GCs own to the TCs about 1billion. Everybody should be compensated of course, and human rights and international law should be applied for all.

PS Oh yeah, and regarding the British Empire – look it wasn't me, right?

Judging from your attitude it seems you would fully support the atrocities of the British empire though.

What does "moderator" mean, exactly? Oh, and while you've got the dictionary out, look up "irony". And then read my post again, only this time take off those blood-red tinted glasses.

Kiss kiss.

[Viewpoint]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

The hotel does not belong to Yiorgos but to Mustafa who had invested 5 million in Yiorgos Land. Yiorgos does not own the hotel only the land!

Exactly remove your hotel from my land.
Same goes if Yorgos built on Mustafas land in the south.

Typical GC logic that will get us absoulutely nowhere. Mustafa is being told that he has to knock down a 5million CYP investment which contirbutes to the economy just to satisfy Yorgos, when Yorgo can be compensated more than the market value to purchase where ever he wants, even 100 metres down the road. We have to be practicle if we want to resolve these issues otheriwse Yorgo will be waiting for a good many years fro Mustafa to knock down or even some suggested wheel away his hotel.

I know of a case in the south where many refugee homes have been built on TC land, do you expect those GCs to knock down their homes and thrown out so Ahmet can get his land back. Please have some compassion Ahmet will be just as happy with 50million CYP with which he can buy anything he wants.

Vengence is a bad thing and unfortunately from the posts I can see that many GCs and TCs will demand their land back just out of obtaining some sort of satisfaction out of seeing people being kicked out or made refugess yet again. This is not what we want as these issues can in itself cause internal conflict.

[Strahd]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

The hotel does not belong to Yiorgos but to Mustafa who had invested 5 million in Yiorgos Land. Yiorgos does not own the hotel only the land!

Exactly remove your hotel from my land.
Same goes if Yorgos built on Mustafas land in the south.

Typical GC logic that will get us absoulutely nowhere. Mustafa is being told that he has to knock down a 5million CYP investment which contirbutes to the economy just to satisfy Yorgos, when Yorgo can be compensated more than the market value to purchase where ever he wants, even 100 metres down the road. We have to be practicle if we want to resolve these issues otheriwse Yorgo will be waiting for a good many years fro Mustafa to knock down or even some suggested wheel away his hotel.

I know of a case in the south where many refugee homes have been built on TC land, do you expect those GCs to knock down their homes and thrown out so Ahmet can get his land back. Please have some compassion Ahmet will be just as happy with 50million CYP with which he can buy anything he wants.

Vengence is a bad thing and unfortunately from the posts I can see that many GCs and TCs will demand their land back just out of obtaining some sort of satisfaction out of seeing people being kicked out or made refugess yet again. This is not what we want as these issues can in itself cause internal conflict.

Actually yes, compensation should come but Turkey should pay it all, because it is Turkey who relocated ALL the population by force.

[malaka]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

The hotel does not belong to Yiorgos but to Mustafa who had invested 5 million in Yiorgos Land. Yiorgos does not own the hotel only the land!

Exactly remove your hotel from my land.
Same goes if Yorgos built on Mustafas land in the south.

Typical GC logic that will get us absoulutely nowhere. Mustafa is being told that he has to knock down a 5million CYP investment which contirbutes to the economy just to satisfy Yorgos, when Yorgo can be compensated more than the market value to purchase where ever he wants, even 100 metres down the road. We have to be practicle if we want to resolve these issues otheriwse Yorgo will be waiting for a good many years fro Mustafa to knock down or even some suggested wheel away his hotel.

I know of a case in the south where many refugee homes have been built on TC land, do you expect those GCs to knock down their homes and thrown out so Ahmet can get his land back. Please have some compassion Ahmet will be just as happy with 50million CYP with which he can buy anything he wants.

Vengence is a bad thing and unfortunately from the posts I can see that many GCs and TCs will demand their land back just out of obtaining some sort of satisfaction out of seeing people being kicked out or made refugess yet again. This is not what we want as these issues can in itself cause internal conflict.

Typical TC reaction what part of illegally built do you not understand????

It was a figure of speach f...k sake man you have 2 spell everything out in here other wise you are pounced on. No wonder you are all still devided.

Read my original post.

If the GC built on TC land the TC has the right to do with his land what ever he feels like He can have them knocked down burn them what ever.

SAME GOES FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.
OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ IT ALL NOT ONLY WHAT SUITS YOU

[Viewpoint]

Aint gonna happen so grow up, you sound like you are all of 11. The fact that life goes on and schools and hospitals, roads and hotels have been built on disputed land will not mean that we will just knock them down because Yorgo wants vengence. Im sure your not aware or even care but can even try to comprehend the impact on the economy if such actions were taken and these buildings were demolished, so childish...

[malaka]

Aint gonna happen so grow up, you sound like you are all of 11. The fact that life goes on and schools and hospitals, roads and hotels have been built on disputed land will not mean that we will just knock them down because Yorgo wants vengence. Im sure your not aware or even care but can even try to comprehend the impact on the economy if such actions were taken and these buildings were demolished, so childish...

Typical Turk what are you going to say next
That you fucked us over for 100s of years piss on me just as your friend mrfromg did.

[Viewpoint]

WTF.....are you on about.

[kalahari]

Those properties are still there waiting for TCs and they were not given to foreigners or to GCs (only for temporary use).

Are you seriuously telling me that all the TC properties south of the border are still sitting unoccupied as they were left in 1974? Apart from a few that will be willingly returned?

Reality check please! And, I think, a new topic...