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[malaka]

Excellent post kalahari.

CHALLENGE STILL STANDS

[Piratis]

When it comes to international law one should not put one's personal interests first. That's why it's called "international law". If one puts one's personal interests first in international law one is what we call a "dictator" or "fascist" (or just plain bloody selfish). (Chavez is doing night classes in these topics right now.)

So you put your personal interests first?

Personally I think you should not. International law should be applied to everybody without any double standards.

Now if you really are keen on letting all those repossessors leap all over the North Island, gaily repossessing properties off those nasty TCs, then you are going to have to allow those nasty TCs the right to leap all over the southern part as well, repossessing their property right back off the GCs who now (I'm guessing here) currently occupy their villages. (You do seem to be rather keen on human rights, after all.)

Why are you calling TCs "nasty"? Are you racist?
Beyond that, thats exactly what I always said. GCs get back their own properties, TCs get back their own. Human rights applied 100% for everybody. Do you disagree?

Of course, never myself having actually been to Cyprus yet, it is entirely possible that you will tell me that the Greek Cypriot community have been looking after the TC's lands exactly as they left them. Sort of "house-sitting" for them. Taking the papers in, occasionally pushing the vacuum cleaner around, that sort of thing. But I'm just guessing that they haven't.

Of course not. Why should the GCs that were forced out of their homes with the Turkish Invasion do house cleaning to the properties of TCs? Those properties are still there waiting for TCs and they were not given to foreigners or to GCs (only for temporary use). But house cleaning is a bit too much to expect don't you think?
TCs and Turkey should have simply allowed GCs to go back to their own homes, and TCs to their own, so everybody would do the house cleaning of his own home. Unfortuantely Turkey and the majority of TCs insist on illegality.

And how will those GCs greet the TCs when they turn up with their by now extended families to say: "Hi! We're back guys! Would you mind awfully clearing off now, cos we've just been turfed out of North Cyprus – you know, that place we had to run off to because the Turks invaded us too in 1974. We didn't ask them to, you understand, but because Nicos Sampson was trying out his BeBe gun on us (and on you too incidentally) we felt we'd better move north and quickly."

Greek Cypriots will greet the TCs and will say: "forgive us for our mistakes and crimes, as we forgave you for your 100 times more crimes against us" Then TCs and GCs will return to their own homes.

But maybe it's not actually about the land at all? Maybe it's not about the old farmstead as it stood in 1974 with its hot and cold running goats and olive plantation that didn't produce everything you were hoping for. Maybe it's actually about the compensation. Maybe it's not so much about homeland and more about ker-ching.

I don't know what "kr-shing" is. But is obviously about returning to the homeland that we were ethnically cleansed from 32 years ago.

In which case, the TCs will have to be compensated too. But that wouldn't be fair now would it? No. Because they're the bad guys. No, we'd rather live in a world where international law and human rights are written to suit our own interests better.

Who said that? They own to us about 7billion in damages, and GCs own to the TCs about 1billion. Everybody should be compensated of course, and human rights and international law should be applied for all.

PS Oh yeah, and regarding the British Empire – look it wasn't me, right?

Judging from your attitude it seems you would fully support the atrocities of the British empire though.

[malaka]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

who cares what you think...

I care.

Easier said then done GCG

[michalis5354]

the track.
Read my post again.
All GC & TC legall owners south/ north get their properties back
If a greek built on a TC piece of land he has done that illegally he loses it same goes around for if a Turk done the same.

How can the GC and TC legal owners get their house back when their house now is not at the same state being left in 1974?

And what are the implications behind such a scenario. TCs were mostly living in the South this means that TCs will move to the South and also GCs will move to the North.

Why do they need to relocate when there is no reason to? What about the cost of re location?

A % of land is expected to be returned since borders will not stay as they are so a % of refugees is expected to return but not all.

[michalis5354]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

The hotel does not belong to Yiorgos but to Mustafa who had invested 5 million in Yiorgos Land. Yiorgos does not own the hotel only the land!

[michalis5354]

They both get their land back with a bonus they now have a motel on it reardless of what its worth They both illegally built on the land in the first place.

If one has a motel and one has not good luck to the one that has.

The builder should not have illegally built on it.

So what would you expect the TCs to do after 1974. To sit there until a solution is reached?

Whether you like it or not Life has not ended in 1974. There is a period of 1974 to 2006 . What would you expect for the TCs to do. Sit and wait until a solution is reached!

[andri_cy]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

The hotel does not belong to Yiorgos but to Mustafa who had invested 5 million in Yiorgos Land. Yiorgos does not own the hotel only the land!

Well unless Mustafa can give Yiorgos 50% of the hotel and they become partners, or he can put it on wheels and move it then the hotel belongs to Yiorgos now. He shouldnt have invested his 5 million on someone else's land without their consent.

[andri_cy]

They both get their land back with a bonus they now have a motel on it reardless of what its worth They both illegally built on the land in the first place.

If one has a motel and one has not good luck to the one that has.

The builder should not have illegally built on it.

So what would you expect the TCs to do after 1974. To sit there until a solution is reached?

Whether you like it or not Life has not ended in 1974. There is a period of 1974 to 2006 . What would you expect for the TCs to do. Sit and wait until a solution is reached!

Michalis understanding both sides is critical. But you seem to understand and sympathize with only one side!
I wouldnt expect them to sit there and wait but they could invest their millions on their own land and not risk it. So maybe someone's land was worth 200,000. Someone built on it without his consent. So now you think if they give him 200,000 its gonna make it ok? What if he didnt want to sell it?
In my opinion, if I were the person with the land, I would be willing to sell it, but since someone is making hell of a load of money from my land, I think I would want rent for all the years that he has been using it, plus compensation for HAVING to sell even though I wasnt given a choice. So Mustafa keeps his hotel but Yiorgos doesnt take it in the butt all over again.

[michalis5354]

Sorry Andry I dont take one side. This is the reason I offer a FAIR compensation scheme that will reflect the value of the GC possessions pre 1974.

Andry the TC land in North was limited. The TCs were mostly living in the South pre 1974. Based on your logic they should have sit down and wait and do nothing all this time. While you had all the right to use their properties in the SOuth??????????????

The same applies to the TC properties in the South Andry. Also The TCs will be compensated. There are GCs living in TC houses in the South also. How do you deal with these?

If anyone has the right to go back to his house pre 1974 then the whole bizonal concept that was accepted in 1977 will be serioulsy altered. Isnt Bizonal Bicommunal Federation our target?

[malaka]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

The hotel does not belong to Yiorgos but to Mustafa who had invested 5 million in Yiorgos Land. Yiorgos does not own the hotel only the land!

Exactly remove your hotel from my land.
Same goes if Yorgos built on Mustafas land in the south.