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[Viewpoint]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

who cares what you think...

[Strahd]

okay i have a proposal...

Mustafa actually was given a permission and payed some licence to invest 5mil on yorgos land illegally. So someone actually gave him the OK to do it so his crime is only 2nd degree.

So my solution is those who gave mustafa the OK to brake the law and actually received licence fees and taxes for it to pay compensation for both mustafa and yiorgos....

What do you say about that viewpoint?

You might ask well who is that then?

i will give you a clue

[andri_cy]

LOL stahd

[Viewpoint]

okay i have a proposal...

Mustafa actually was given a permission and payed some licence to invest 5mil on yorgos land illegally. So someone actually gave him the OK to do it so his crime is only 2nd degree.

So my solution is those who gave mustafa the OK to brake the law and actually received licence fees and taxes for it to pay compensation for both mustafa and yiorgos....

What do you say about that viewpoint?

You might ask well who is that then?

i will give you a clue

Who gets the hotel and land???

[kalahari]

All these people living in Australia then... should they be kicked out so that the aborigines can have their land back?

I'm just wondering where this "kick people out" policy begins and ends. Does it have a finite boundary on territory and time? Is anything over forty years considered to be okay? Do we turf out all the "Irish" from Boston, so that the Micmac Indian can take over the coffee houses? Or don't they count? As for the UK, well where would we begin?

Let's kick out all the Cypriots for a starter, then the Arabs, then the Chinese, then the East Indian (and Pakistani) and West Indian. Bye bye the Huguenots, ta ta your Jewish refugees, arrivederci all you Romans. Cheerio Saxons and Angles, chin-chin Normans and Jutes, au revoir Vikings. (Getting into my stride now. Can you see what I'm doing here? Thinking of turning it into a song actually... working on the chorus. Yeah, something like "Piss off 'ome you bastards, piss off 'ome you geeks, piss off 'ome to Mama, you wogs, you kikes you Greeks." We could do it dressed up like Pearly Kings. What do you think? Not too distasteful I hope.)

[MR-from-NG]

Excellent post kalahari.

[Piratis]

All these people living in Australia then... should they be kicked out so that the aborigines can have their land back?

Kalahari, it is true that conquering foreign lands, colonization, enslaving other people etc have been the norm that the British (since you mentioned Australia) among others, have excelled.

However after World War II the world supposedly decided to end all this unfair treatment against the weak, and the UN were created along with decisions about decolonization (http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm)

Are you suggesting that we should return to the barbarian land grab of earlier years? How about slavery? The British enslaved their subjects for many centuries, why not continue with it today? Is this what you are trying to tell us? To make steps backwards to a time were international law and human rights had no importance because it suits your interests better?

[kalahari]

When it comes to international law one should not put one's personal interests first. That's why it's called "international law". If one puts one's personal interests first in international law one is what we call a "dictator" or "fascist" (or just plain bloody selfish). (Chavez is doing night classes in these topics right now.)

If you missed it in my previous post, have a look at this map. And if you've seen it before, have another look anyway. It shows the island of Cyprus before the illegal occupation of 1974. I call it the "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" map.




Now if you really are keen on letting all those repossessors leap all over the North Island, gaily repossessing properties off those nasty TCs, then you are going to have to allow those nasty TCs the right to leap all over the southern part as well, repossessing their property right back off the GCs who now (I'm guessing here) currently occupy their villages. (You do seem to be rather keen on human rights, after all.)

Of course, never myself having actually been to Cyprus yet, it is entirely possible that you will tell me that the Greek Cypriot community have been looking after the TC's lands exactly as they left them. Sort of "house-sitting" for them. Taking the papers in, occasionally pushing the vacuum cleaner around, that sort of thing. But I'm just guessing that they haven't.

And how will those GCs greet the TCs when they turn up with their by now extended families to say: "Hi! We're back guys! Would you mind awfully clearing off now, cos we've just been turfed out of North Cyprus – you know, that place we had to run off to because the Turks invaded us too in 1974. We didn't ask them to, you understand, but because Nicos Sampson was trying out his BeBe gun on us (and on you too incidentally) we felt we'd better move north and quickly."

My guess is that those GCs will dig their heels in.

But maybe it's not actually about the land at all? Maybe it's not about the old farmstead as it stood in 1974 with its hot and cold running goats and olive plantation that didn't produce everything you were hoping for. Maybe it's actually about the compensation. Maybe it's not so much about homeland and more about ker-ching.

In which case, the TCs will have to be compensated too. But that wouldn't be fair now would it? No. Because they're the bad guys. No, we'd rather live in a world where international law and human rights are written to suit our own interests better.

I shall be posting my own solution to the property and compensation later on this week, as part two of what I am (rather originally) calling "The Kalahari Plan". It has a certain ring to it, I think you'll agree.

Be sure to look out for it – it has something for everyone!

PS Oh yeah, and regarding the British Empire – look it wasn't me, right?

[Greek goddess]

No one wants war as brings out the worst in people because what they have to lose is just no property but something much more important their lives.

Malaka unfortunately there is no magic wand that can be waved to resolve the property issue. Some refugees will be luckier than others but what should be taken into account is that people on both sides will have to compromise. If the property commssion ishandled correct imo it will provide an opportunity to resolve some of the cases where people are willing to recieive comprensation rather than wait for a solution that may never materialize.

There is a majic wand every legall owner gets back what they own GC TC
This will illiminate any arguments on both sides.
Why is it all I hear this is not possible???????

Returning the property back to the rightful owners nullifies the reasons behind the invasion.
Therefore highly unlikely to happen[/quote

Well there will never be a solution if your theory is correct.

My theory has been correct for 30+ years
There will at best be a partial return of land to the rightful owners.
As for the people that invested money on stolen land.
Well as far as I am concern they knew the score before they invested the money therefore they should ask compensation from those that sold them the rights to the land.

[malaka]

When it comes to international law one should not put one's personal interests first. That's why it's called "international law". If one puts one's personal interests first in international law one is what we call a "dictator" or "fascist" (or just plain bloody selfish). (Chavez is doing night classes in these topics right now.)

If you missed it in my previous post, have a look at this map. And if you've seen it before, have another look anyway. It shows the island of Cyprus before the illegal occupation of 1974. I call it the "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" map.




Now if you really are keen on letting all those repossessors leap all over the North Island, gaily repossessing properties off those nasty TCs, then you are going to have to allow those nasty TCs the right to leap all over the southern part as well, repossessing their property right back off the GCs who now (I'm guessing here) currently occupy their villages. (You do seem to be rather keen on human rights, after all.)

Of course, never myself having actually been to Cyprus yet, it is entirely possible that you will tell me that the Greek Cypriot community have been looking after the TC's lands exactly as they left them. Sort of "house-sitting" for them. Taking the papers in, occasionally pushing the vacuum cleaner around, that sort of thing. But I'm just guessing that they haven't.

And how will those GCs greet the TCs when they turn up with their by now extended families to say: "Hi! We're back guys! Would you mind awfully clearing off now, cos we've just been turfed out of North Cyprus – you know, that place we had to run off to because the Turks invaded us too in 1974. We didn't ask them to, you understand, but because Nicos Sampson was trying out his BeBe gun on us (and on you too incidentally) we felt we'd better move north and quickly."

My guess is that those GCs will dig their heels in.

But maybe it's not actually about the land at all? Maybe it's not about the old farmstead as it stood in 1974 with its hot and cold running goats and olive plantation that didn't produce everything you were hoping for. Maybe it's actually about the compensation. Maybe it's not so much about homeland and more about ker-ching.

In which case, the TCs will have to be compensated too. But that wouldn't be fair now would it? No. Because they're the bad guys. No, we'd rather live in a world where international law and human rights are written to suit our own interests better.

I shall be posting my own solution to the property and compensation later on this week, as part two of what I am (rather originally) calling "The Kalahari Plan". It has a certain ring to it, I think you'll agree.

Be sure to look out for it – it has something for everyone!

PS Oh yeah, and regarding the British Empire – look it wasn't me, right?

Kalahari you have driven way off the track.
Read my post again.
All GC & TC legall owners south/ north get their properties back
If a greek built on a TC piece of land he has done that illegally he loses it same goes around for if a Turk done the same.

If a GC lives in TC house vice versa they both get out and the legall owner
gets his house back.
Why are you jumping up and down all of sudden backing TC and calling GC repossessors

I still do not get it TURKEY IS ILLEGALLY OCCUPING CYPRUS THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT AND YET YOU SUPPORT THAT ??????