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[malaka]

Yes, or think of it the opposite way, Mustafa builds same hotel on Yorgos land, in the north, the lands value is 200k and the hotel is 5mil, how do you solve it?

If some one built on your land with out your knowledge or consent they have broken the law You now own a hotel for nothing. No court in the world is going to say otherwise.

[malaka]

The way to solve this is to offer Yiorgos compensation on the value of his land and leave Mustafa where he is.

And when Yiorgos built a hotel at Mustafas Land valued at 500,000 in the SOuth then compensate Mustafa at the value of his land and leave Yiorgos where he is!

Hang on Yiorgos does not want to be compensated he wants his land back
same as Mustafa

[michalis5354]

If both want their land back I am afraid nothing can be done we can not demolish the hotels in order for both of them to get their land back. This is not rational. With 200, 000 and 500,000 pounds in compensation they can both buy an alternative piece of land to invest elsewhere or even abroad!

[malaka]

If both want their land back I am afraid nothing can be done we can not demolish the hotels in order for both of them to get their land back. This is not rational. With 200, 000 and 500,000 pounds in compensation they can both buy an alternative piece of land to invest elsewhere or even abroad!

They both get their land back with a bonus they now have a motel on it reardless of what its worth They both illegally built on the land in the first place.

If one has a motel and one has not good luck to the one that has.

The builder should not have illegally built on it.

[Viewpoint]

Guys please take this has one example Yorgos land in the north 200.000 but Mustafa has invested 5.000.000,

michalis5354 says compensate Yorgos

and

malaka says give the hotel to Yorgos and kick Mustafa out.

I would have to go with michalis as I would not want to kick out anyone who has invested that large a sum, I would compromise take a cash settlement and go buy where ever I wanted.

[stuballstu]

malaka wrote

It is not a matter of how many want the properties back that is irelevant that is not my argument. My argument is
If 8 out of 10 people GC & TC do not want the properties back that does not mean they dont want to have the final say.


My point is this The legall owners have the final say REGARDLESS IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK OR NOT
I think the numbers would lean towards my theory if you asked the legall owners only to vote.

(MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO THAT JUST THAT ASK THEM TO VOTE)

Malaka

i am not going to dis-agree with you saying, however i would be interested on how you propose to do this. Every refugee would have to make a claim and get it validated that they are claiming against a property that was thiers pre 74. How long do you think it would take just to validate the claims of every refugee? With over 200,000 displaced even if 100 claims were dealt with a week it would take 4 years just to deal with the property issue. This may only happen after a settlement or be part of it at least. Also how do administer this? Do you put the responsibility on the claimant to apply.

What i am saying as it is so complicated and more more complex and problamatic than anyone could ever imagine. Unfortunately for the refugees they are putting their hope in the politicians most of which are economical with the truth at the best of times ( and I am talking about politicians in general not just Cypriot ones).

If someone could come up with a workable way to deal with property then i'm sure Cypriots would love to hear it, but please dont make it another 30+ years.

I think it would take a very brave Turkish politician to stand up and say we must give back to the legal owners GC & TC their houses

.

Agree however there is more chance of Iran winning the World Cup this year.

I think you are wrong about a GC politician saying that not all refugees will return. If you told a politician that all legal owners will get back their properties any politician would shout it out. ALL LEGALL OWNERS ARE GOING TO GET THEIR PROPS BACK but unfortunatelly not all refugees will return.

Malaka, with the greatest respect i have for you IMHO it is never going to happen. Personally I think a lot of GC politicians play on the Cyprob and tell people what they want to hear and not what realistically is going to happen. I am not saying that TC politicians are angels either as some of the nonsense they come out with sometimes does not deserve the waste of air. Not all legal owners are going to get their properties back. I know you will disagree with me, which i respect, however there is no workable way that it is going to happen.

[malaka]

Guys please take this has one example Yorgos land in the north 200.000 but Mustafa has invested 5.000.000,

michalis5354 says compensate Yorgos

and

malaka says give the hotel to Yorgos and kick Mustafa out.

I would have to go with michalis as I would not want to kick out anyone who has invested that large a sum, I would compromise take a cash settlement and go buy where ever I wanted.

Regardless of the amount paid to build it.He has broken the law
Greek or Turk South or North

Ok then what if Mustafa spent nothing and moved into Yorgos 5000000 hotel and used to live in a 5000 house in the north Now Yorgos wants it back keeping in mind Mustafa spent nothing.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

malaka i say kick mustafa,michalis and viewpoint back to Turkey and give back yorgos his hotel

[malaka]

malaka wrote

It is not a matter of how many want the properties back that is irelevant that is not my argument. My argument is
If 8 out of 10 people GC & TC do not want the properties back that does not mean they dont want to have the final say.


My point is this The legall owners have the final say REGARDLESS IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK OR NOT
I think the numbers would lean towards my theory if you asked the legall owners only to vote.

(MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO THAT JUST THAT ASK THEM TO VOTE)

Malaka

i am not going to dis-agree with you saying, however i would be interested on how you propose to do this. Every refugee would have to make a claim and get it validated that they are claiming against a property that was thiers pre 74. How long do you think it would take just to validate the claims of every refugee? With over 200,000 displaced even if 100 claims were dealt with a week it would take 4 years just to deal with the property issue. This may only happen after a settlement or be part of it at least. Also how do administer this? Do you put the responsibility on the claimant to apply.

What i am saying as it is so complicated and more more complex and problamatic than anyone could ever imagine. Unfortunately for the refugees they are putting their hope in the politicians most of which are economical with the truth at the best of times ( and I am talking about politicians in general not just Cypriot ones).

If someone could come up with a workable way to deal with property then i'm sure Cypriots would love to hear it, but please dont make it another 30+ years.

I think it would take a very brave Turkish politician to stand up and say we must give back to the legal owners GC & TC their houses

.

Agree however there is more chance of Iran winning the World Cup this year.

I think you are wrong about a GC politician saying that not all refugees will return. If you told a politician that all legal owners will get back their properties any politician would shout it out. ALL LEGALL OWNERS ARE GOING TO GET THEIR PROPS BACK but unfortunatelly not all refugees will return.

Malaka, with the greatest respect i have for you IMHO it is never going to happen. Personally I think a lot of GC politicians play on the Cyprob and tell people what they want to hear and not what realistically is going to happen. I am not saying that TC politicians are angels either as some of the nonsense they come out with sometimes does not deserve the waste of air. Not all legal owners are going to get their properties back. I know you will disagree with me, which i respect, however there is no workable way that it is going to happen.

Surely there is a land titles office with recrods that can be cross
referenced with all claims.

By the way Australia is going to win the world cup

[Viewpoint]

Guys please take this has one example Yorgos land in the north 200.000 but Mustafa has invested 5.000.000,

michalis5354 says compensate Yorgos

and

malaka says give the hotel to Yorgos and kick Mustafa out.

I would have to go with michalis as I would not want to kick out anyone who has invested that large a sum, I would compromise take a cash settlement and go buy where ever I wanted.

Regardless of the amount paid to build it.He has broken the law
Greek or Turk South or North

Ok then what if Mustafa spent nothing and moved into Yorgos 5000000 hotel and used to live in a 5000 house in the north Now Yorgos wants it back keeping in mind Mustafa spent nothing.

Thats easy Yorgos would get his hotel back.

But I dont think you are being as fair with mustafa if he has invested 5mil on land worth 200k. There has to be compromise and flexiblity and unfortunately you ar enot showing any of these attributes.