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[malaka]

And Malaka, when you are able to share your story with us, could you post it as a separate thread please? - just so it doesn't get lost in the general melange of conversation? ( perhaps 'Malakas Story')

Thanks

I will do it when time permitts I am very busy with work It feels like 24/7 work at the moment plus the fact I am a 1 finger typist wont help the matter

[kalahari]

What if they wanted to negotiate with you (lets assume no one has been killed) We want to be part of the UK (ie the EU) but you cant have your house back because settlers now live in it.

In England we have a problem that is nothing like on the same scale as the property problem in Cyprus, but of a similar nature. Squatters. They can move into your property, claiming rights that are enforceable by law. If they manage to stay there long enough the property transfers to them. This too is complete lunacy.

And there I suppose you have my honest opinion of the property situation in Cyprus – complete lunacy. But that opinion, while honest, is going to solve nothing. Have a look at this map, which shows the distribution of TC and GC settlements across the island pre 1974:



Now think about the complexity of returning all the people and property that sit either side of the occupation line. Lunacy it might be, injustice it might be, but asking for a solution where every body, unilaterally is allowed to wind the clock back to the way they believe things were 30 years ago is completely impractical. I promise you I will try to come up with a solution, but I have not formulated one yet. I am working on it. I need to do more research.

Unles of course the part of your question you are interested in is "we want to be a part of the EU". Well to this bit, my honest answer is "Of course you can be a part of the EU my friends, but first we have to start negotiating on the little matter of your army of occupation." Which is, of course, what is happening.

The property issue is a massive and nasty sore Malaka, but it's too big and too late to put it right for everybody, including the heirs of those that died or have since died. When I do present a solution, it will reflect this unfortunate and frustrating but undeniiable truth.

[reeshahn]

You say turks and greeks have been enemies since the beginning of time but it is not true. If you are talking about Cyprus it is not true I am sure but if you are talking about turks and greeks generally I can give you a good example too. I am studying in Isik University in Istanbul and it is one of the most respected(and also most expensive) private universities in Turkey. We have many greek students and instructors in our school. I guess the best example is my university's engineering faculty's dean. He is greek you can check it if you wish http://muhendislik.isikun.edu.tr/muhf_eng/index.htm

[cypezokyli]

i agree with you reeshahn
greeks and turks are just people. they fought each others at times bc that suited certain interests. the best thing they can do now , is cooperate as good neighbours - bc among other things , it is in their interest to act like that.

[michalis5354]

Now think about the complexity of returning all the people and property that sit either side of the occupation line. Lunacy it might be, injustice it might be, but asking for a solution where every body, unilaterally is allowed to wind the clock back to the way they believe things were 30 years ago is completely impractical. I promise you I will try to come up with a solution, but I have not formulated one yet. I am working on it. I need to do more research.

Politicians have manipulated peoples ' minds into believing that every single refugee will return now that people have realised that this is not possible they have been disapointed of course.

It is not possible for all to return why dont they look into a more simple approach. Leave the people at the place where they are now and provide a fair compensation scheme to reflect the value of their loss / gain!

[stuballstu]

Michalis wrote

Politicians have manipulated peoples ' minds

Absolutley 100% correct. The Politicians have a lot to answer for.

It may be that Politicians feed the public nonsense to keep their own positions of power.

Do ordinary GC and TC's hate each other? I dont think so. Maybe some of the older generation have a feeling of dis-trust to one another but that should not be confused with hatred. As a new generation gets older the danger is that GC's and TC's in their late 20's early 30's may be asked if they want to be part of a new experience and have neighbours who may be either their TC or GC cousins. Something they have never experienced before. Do they want to go through this or are they happy as they are?

[kalahari]

As a new generation gets older the danger is that GC's and TC's in their late 20's early 30's may be asked if they want to be part of a new experience and have neighbours who may be either their TC or GC cousins.

stuballstu, take a look at the map above, in my previous post. Now, I have no idea how integrated the communities were, but just looking at how wide-spread the integration of the two cultures were geographically, you can't help wondering how they sorted out the GCs from the TCs so cleanly after 1974. Surely there MUST have been some cross-culture marriages.

[malaka]

Now think about the complexity of returning all the people and property that sit either side of the occupation line. Lunacy it might be, injustice it might be, but asking for a solution where every body, unilaterally is allowed to wind the clock back to the way they believe things were 30 years ago is completely impractical. I promise you I will try to come up with a solution, but I have not formulated one yet. I am working on it. I need to do more research.

Politicians have manipulated peoples ' minds into believing that every single refugee will return now that people have realised that this is not possible they have been disapointed of course.

It is not possible for all to return why dont they look into a more simple approach. Leave the people at the place where they are now and provide a fair compensation scheme to reflect the value of their loss / gain!

That is exactly why there will be no solution. GC & TC want back what they own full stop. They have the right to decide what to do with their houses no one else.
I do not agree with you at all about manipulative politicians.
They want the legall owners of their properties to return.


It goes back to them same old story you steal something from me I want it back IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. GREEK OR TURK
Why is it not possible exactly for refugees to return?
As Kalahari states they managed to seperate GC & TC so cleanly before Why cant they manage to return what is legally GC & TC properties cleanly as well?

[michalis5354]

Malaka If one gets your watch valued 100 pounds and offers you 100 pounds in Cash in compensation will you call this a theft? They will be compensated for their loss or gain.

Some of the refugees will return as a % of land is expected to be returned.Here there is no problem.

As a matter of simplicity it is not possible for everyone to re locate again for 2nd-3rd time.

I have no problem with mixing but I see this not working in practice as it seems so costly. Think all these people who have settle down either in South or North to make new arrangements( ie loans etc) now and relocate for another time.

[michalis5354]

Do ordinary GC and TC's hate each other? I dont think so. Maybe some of the older generation have a feeling of dis-trust to one another but that should not be confused with hatred. As a new generation gets older the danger is that GC's and TC's in their late 20's early 30's may be asked if they want to be part of a new experience and have neighbours who may be either their TC or GC cousins. Something they have never experienced before. Do they want to go through this or are they happy as they are?

I do nt know. Maybe a survey is needed to answer this question. The question goes to both sides.