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Postby malaka » Sun May 07, 2006 12:01 pm

cypezokyli wrote:
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miltiades wrote:As you can see Sir the overwhelming majority of Cypriots want nothing more than to live in peace in their homeland as free people with every citizen enjoying liberty , free from fear , and with human dignity. None wish to see Cyprus divided and partly occupied by a foreign power with 40000 on its soil. The Malakas and co. mentality will ensure that Turkey , the foreign power , will remain indefinetely on our soil for as long as the Turkish Cypriots demand that it does.[/quote


You have issues seek help.
Partly occupied by foreign power TURKEY you think the Turks call their army foreign.
The miltiades and co mentality will ensure that all GC refugees never return to their homes


:lol: :lol: :lol:
could you tell us your mentallity on how you would achieve all refugees returning back ?
and please if it is possible , constraint your great plan in this millenium.
thank you



Simple All illegal settlers leave Its not rockett science.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun May 07, 2006 1:09 pm

when i was reffering to a plan i meant sth of the like : this group does this and as a concequence this happens.
moreover by plan i meant sth in the logical bounds of reality , and not a normative statement.

so when you say all illegal settlers leave , who are you expecting to do that ? a rocket scientist ?
how do you expect that to happen when the opposite (ie settlers are coming) is the case for the last 30 years ?
what conditions have to be fullfilled for that changr to occur ?
when do you expect this to happen ?
etc etc....

opening our mouths saying a synthem is the easiest thing in the world - just like patriotism.
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Postby malaka » Sun May 07, 2006 3:38 pm

cypezokyli wrote:when i was reffering to a plan i meant sth of the like : this group does this and as a concequence this happens.
moreover by plan i meant sth in the logical bounds of reality , and not a normative statement.

so when you say all illegal settlers leave , who are you expecting to do that ? a rocket scientist ?
how do you expect that to happen when the opposite (ie settlers are coming) is the case for the last 30 years ?
what conditions have to be fullfilled for that changr to occur ?
when do you expect this to happen ?
etc etc....

opening our mouths saying a synthem is the easiest thing in the world - just like patriotism.



I have stated previously that you have to crawl before you walk
Neither side is showing any initiative.


Each side has to show a commitment
Get rid of the Greek flag
In return get rid of the Turkish flag
Make a new flag.
This will show the rest of the world that both sides are committed to a solution.

BUT ALL THEY DO IS AGREE TO DISAGREE

The settlers can leave the island exactly the same way the came.
The TC should demand this if they call themselves Cypriot.

Heck over 200 000 refugees were moved with out notice in 74 I think they can manage to move the settlers with some warning

Then there is the property issue and the Turkish & Greek armies.

All legall owners should get back their props GC & TC

Turkish & Greek armies leave

Form a new govmnt.

You will find the majority of Turks will never agree to this hence my original post Turks Greeks Black and white
If any Turks agree to this please surprise me

Start a vote I dont know how to that on this site can it be done.
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Postby GreekCypriotGurl_UK » Sun May 07, 2006 4:01 pm

ITS SIMPLE TURK SETTLERS CAN LEAVE AND GO BACK TO ANATOLIA WHERE THEY CAME FROM THEY TURKISH ARMY CAN GO BACK TO TURKEY

NO MORE NEGOCIATIONS NO MORE TURK ASS KISSING TURKS GET THE HELL OUT OF CYPRUS IF TURKS DONT GET OUT THEN BOYCOT ISOLATE TURKEY DONT REWARD THEM DONT REWARD THEIFS
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun May 07, 2006 4:07 pm

the flag issue is a good crawl initiative. (get ready to get attack from other patriots on that )

matters like the settlers , armies , property issue , embargoes etc, can only be solved with a comprehensive solution. unfortunately we cannot crawl with these things. they have to be agree as a whole.

now , the fact that "we" dont agree , allow me to disagree. perhaps it is our "leaders" that dont agree.

moreover , however "fair" your steps may sound , they are kind of one-sided. unfortunately in negotiations you have to "give" also , and i didnot see any such moovement from our part , in your proposal :wink: . as a concequence , i wouldnt be that positive that it can only work like that.

but , you cannot judge a tc only on the ground how he views the turkish army , and if he doesnt view it the same way we do , that means there is no solution. you have to sit down and think for a minute what have made the tcs consider the turkish army as they do.
second, you have to appreciate that for a specific time the tcs did raise their voice against the turkish army but got no response from our side.
you refer again to settlers. what do you expect to listen from a tc who is married with a mainland turk ? even if that tc supports that the armies leave the island ? do you expect from she or he to ask for ALL settlers out of cyprus ?
lastly, if you are planning ever of getting into a discussion with tcs , in order to get to know what they really think you could for a while refrain from all kinds of "compliments". if you dont force them on the defensive you might be surprised from their views. but you didnot try did you ? you are already "sure" what they are , arent you ?
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Postby StuartN » Sun May 07, 2006 6:51 pm

Kalahari:- this is one of the better links I've found so far - If anybody finds any bias in it I'd be pleased to know.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/
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Postby miltiades » Sun May 07, 2006 6:58 pm

Cypezokily , I have replied to your post concerning how we intend to get the Turkish troops of of Cyprus , under the topic of CM FUNDED BY....
If I were you I would replace courtesy with total contempt and abstention from interaction with "counterproductive irresponsible contributions "
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Postby kalahari » Sun May 07, 2006 9:25 pm

Thanks Stuart, I'll read it.

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Postby malaka » Mon May 08, 2006 2:02 am

[quote="cypezokyli"]the flag issue is a good crawl initiative. (get ready to get attack from other patriots on that )

matters like the settlers , armies , property issue , embargoes etc, can only be solved with a comprehensive solution. unfortunately we cannot crawl with these things. they have to be agree as a whole.

now , the fact that "we" dont agree , allow me to disagree. perhaps it is our "leaders" that dont agree.

moreover , however "fair" your steps may sound , they are kind of one-sided. unfortunately in negotiations you have to "give" also , and i didnot see any such moovement from our part , in your proposal :wink: . as a concequence , i wouldnt be that positive that it can only work like that.

but , you cannot judge a tc only on the ground how he views the turkish army , and if he doesnt view it the same way we do , that means there is no solution. you have to sit down and think for a minute what have made the tcs consider the turkish army as they do.
second, you have to appreciate that for a specific time the tcs did raise their voice against the turkish army but got no response from our side.
you refer again to settlers. what do you expect to listen from a tc who is married with a mainland turk ? even if that tc supports that the armies leave the island ? do you expect from she or he to ask for ALL settlers out of cyprus ?
lastly, if you are planning ever of getting into a discussion with tcs , in order to get to know what they really think you could for a while refrain from all kinds of "compliments". if you dont force them on the defensive you might be surprised from their views. but you didnot try did you ? you are already "sure" what they are , arent you ?[/quot

If they cant even agree on the flag Iam affraid that every is wasting their time. They will be arguing forever.
Why is my oppinion one sided exactly.
I will still argue with you that if you steel form me I want it back.
This is not a Greek thing it is common sense in any language.

By every body getting back what they own I dont see that as one sided thing at all Greek ot Turk .
If they do not want to go back compensate them Dont say you are not going back but you will be compensated for it. That does not work.
Wasnt that a major issue in the referendum?


By giving property and land for the sake of unification is not acceptable you are simply rewarding a theif.
Surprise me what are the TC views?
If unified the TC will be in the EU along with the GC is that not award enough also create a new govmnt.

Married to settlers is a hard one you would have to talk numbers
How many are there. If it takes another 30 years and the married settlers out number the GC What Then??
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Postby malaka » Mon May 08, 2006 2:13 am

miltiades wrote:Cypezokily , I have replied to your post concerning how we intend to get the Turkish troops of of Cyprus , under the topic of CM FUNDED BY....
If I were you I would replace courtesy with total contempt and abstention from interaction with "counterproductive irresponsible contributions "



Counterproductive irresponsible contributions

You see Cypezokily

Dont agree with me so that makes me irresponsible, racist etc

and when a Turk for phuck sake posts FUCKED YOU OVER PISS ON YOU ETC

Everybody turns it around and blames me for provoking him

All I did was post facts

Cant you people see the true side of your fellow TURK open your eyes

ITS THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE
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