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[miltiades]

Kalahari , interesting to know that prior to joining this forum you knew little of Cyprus , what prompted you to join this forum ? The British incidently , and I mean the British , not British passport holders , are not only conciliatory as you stated but so tolerant of other races and cultures , very compassionate and fairminded. I have always believed that the British , although like all past super powers put their own interests above all else ,- quite a natural practice - did offer the nations they occupied some benefits. I feel however that many mistakes have been made by succesive Governments in particular the Asylum fiasco and generally the immigration policies that are causing even the most tolerant Brits to voice their discontent. Im one of those characters that firmly believes that when in Rome one does what the Romans do. If immigrants or asylum seekers - (economic migrants ) were made aware on entry into the UK that we have certain rules , if such rules are contradictory to their ideologies , whether is faith , culture ( Forced marriages ) eating habits then they have an absolute right to reject these rules and elect not to be part of this nation of ours. I have noted your comments on Irag and repect your views.

[kalahari]

Kalahari , would you consider that the UK is a cosmopolitan nation with a multicultural society , would be interested to know your views .You refer to the potential of Cyprus becoming one of the most cosmopolitan islands , would that be on the UK mode perhaps ?

This is a fascinating question, and having been asked it I will answer in the most honest way I can. This will therefore be a highly personalised view and I regret any offence that I may cause.

The UK is a strange nation, being sliced up into many components that all, traditionally, "hate" each other. For the overwhelming majority, this "hate" actually comprises of good natured ribbing and sporting events, with the occasional scuffle outside the pub. Unfortunately, there are a minority that purport to be the "true voice of nationalism" who take their hatred further, making the lives of other UK nationals a misery. This begins with the whites, who like to cut themselves up into Scots, English, Welsh, Irish, Irish loyalists, Irish republicans, Catholics, Protestants, Northeners, Londoners, etc etc. The divisions are extraordinarily diverse and complex. The good news is though, that it is mostly harmless.

Into this, mix liberally a wide diversification of races, colours, creeds from (quite literally) the four corners of the world. A lot of this can be traced back to Empire, peoples who came or were brought to Britain as the Empire slowly but inexoribly disintegrated. Some came of their own free will, seeing a land of opportunity. Some were brought here to fulfil a purpose, and still bear resentment for that.

The tensions between these races and the domestic whites might seem to be the most obvious source of malcontent, but no – on the whole the white population has integrated with these incomers, and vice versa, very well. Of course there are "ghettoes", but it is in the nature of birds of a feather to flock together. Seamless racial integration is becoming commonplace across all levels of British society these days.

Many of the worse tensions in British society actually come from cultural clashes between peoples who still retain their "original" cultures. Prejudice loves to get a firm foothold on stereotype, and sadly too many people who come to the UK make little or no attempt to "do as the Romans".

Consequently, some of the worst racism you will encounter in the UK comes from cross-culture racism.

As a result, I prefer not to talk about racism at all, as it implies the source of the problem is race – which it rarely is. "Culturalism" doesn't sound right, but it's closer to the truth.

One of the by-products of all of this is that the English white people, being the largest of the sub-cultures, has this enormous guilt complex that they are the root of all evils. This is typically English – we love to be the cause of the world's ills. And this makes the English one of the least nationalistic races on Earth. In fact, the English flag is seen by many of the more "liberal" Englishmen to be a fascistic symbol and something to be actively discouraged – an embarressment, an evil. The Scots don't have this problem, nor the Welsh – and good on them. The Northern Irish – well, you Cypriots think you have problems...

Thankfully, the main stream of English, Scot, Welsh, Irish people and all those many different cultures and creeds that have settled here recently are extraordinarily good folk whose common sense and wisdom have kept them living peaceably amongst each other for generations and God willing will continue to do so.

However, the government has decided to impose laws on the good people of this nation to ensure that they do not act in a racist/ageist/sexist/you-name-it-ist way. These laws are increasingly painted as "Human rights" laws and are imposed with an agression that borders disturbingly on fascism. Naturally, the laws are imposed most rigourously upon those who are the softest touch – the ones who will complain least, those who feel guilty already, those who have no rights because they are indigenous. So what we see is a goverment that targets the entrepreneurial white educated male as the enemy of the "right-on" liberal, politically correct state. (There is a "joke" that to be appreciated by the government you should be a half-black, half-asian, welsh-speaking disabled amputee, single lesbian parent who is a practising satanist and wants a sex-change on the national health.)

This only ends up prejudicing people against one another even more as resentment and frustration builds. I watch it happen on a day to day basis. Here we call it the "nanny state". You are not trusted to have dignity, honour or respect for other people. All these are attributes that are legislated carefully out of society and no longer taught in schools. They are to be despised as outdated hangovers from a "morally corrupt" age.

Which is one of the reasons that I am leaving England next year to look for a land where races can come together from all over the world without having to put up with forcibly imposed "human rights" that only serve to prejudice all men against each other.

It is my belief that democracy starts and ends with the people on the streets of a nation. That honour and respect are the cornerstones of civilisation and without which civilisation rapidly descends into bedlam.

I see, in Cyprus, a rapidly burgeoning multi-cultural independent nation that has the opportunity to forge its own identity without the hang-ups of the past. Heaven knows, it has been the whipping boy of other nations for so many generations that it is about time that it had a chance to stand on its own two feet and be proud of being CYPRUS.

Call me selfish, but I want to be a part of that. I believe that Cyprus is the best place that I can take my children to, to grow up in. Yes, there are many Greeks there, but I love the Greek people and their heritage. Yes, there are many Turks there, but I love the Turkish people too, and their heritage. And – here's a real surprise – I see so much that the two peoples have in common. (Bloody hell, that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons with one or two of our loved ones.)

I do not agree with the Turkish goverment posting 6% of their considerable military might uninvited upon Cypriot soil, but things change and I believe that they will go, and go soon. That's a discussion for another day.

So, I hope that gives you an inkling of what I believe the UK "model" of a multi-cultural society to be. I believe it has the potential to be great, but has become deeply flawed because honour and respect are not allowed or encouraged to grow, but are legislated into place. Human rights are liberally scattered over every minority, but with no responsibility or dignity or respect asked in return.

Finally, do I see Cyprus becoming a cosmopolitan and exciting island in the model of the UK? No, and nor do I want it to become like the UK. I want it to become far, far better than the UK and eventually the envy of other nations. And I genuinely believe it can become that.

But it must start with toleration, a forward looking vision, respect for all men, and an underlying code of respect, honour and dignity.

Maybe I'm tilting at windmills, but hell – you only get one life!

(Stops speaking, steps off soapbox, retires to the bar for a pint.)

[kalahari]

Kalahari , interesting to know that prior to joining this forum you knew little of Cyprus , what prompted you to join this forum ?

A desire to learn more about the country I fully intend to make my home.

I have been increasingly unhappy with the way the UK government has been moving this country, and recent personal events have driven me to seriously consider moving to a warmer climate. Although I have the world as my oyster, after careful consideration I believe that Cyprus offers me and my family the best option. We will be making our very first visit there during July this year, when we intend to try to discover as much as we can about the Cypriot people. My daughters and wife are currently learning Greek, I am attempting the same. We have visited Greece many times and have only ever been delighted by the people we have met. We have visited Turkey many times and have only ever been delighted by the people we have met. As a business man I have had the opportunity and privelege of visiting many European countries, and those further afield, but never Cyprus. This is a serious omission. This forum has helped me to begin to understand the Cypriot way of seeing the world, and I very much enjoy my participation in it.

[miltiades]

Kalahari what a brilliant synopsis of the question I raised earlier , I share with you all that you summarised as the good and not so good aspects of UK living , governments , political correctness etc. I envy you for making the decision to bring your family to the paradise island of Cyprus. I have lived in the UK since 1961 and unforunately events beyond my control force me to remain in the UK , not that I do not like my adopted country , the birthplace of my beloved wife and her ancestors , and of my children of course , but I dislike what succesive governments have legislated against common sense.I dislike the traffic laws that force a working man to forcibly donate a large sum of money , £50.00 , for a minor traffic offence like popping into a post office for two minutes , or the dry cleaners when some useless instrument of the "law " slaps a penalty ticket on your car .Most workers in the UK do not earn FIFTY QUID A DAY.I congradulate you on a brave decision and I wish you and your family all the happiness in the world in Cyprus , may I also say that I have a daughter that lives in Cyprus , she married a Greek Cypriot and has given my self and my wife the most precious gift of all , a beautiful grand daughter , and its for her future and that of all Cypriot children that I feel so strong about a peaceful solution and a happy enviroment free from fear and war in my beloved Cyprus.
Wish you the very best .

[kalahari]

Why thank you.

[malaka]

Thank God that GCG and malaka do not live in Cyprus anymore. Let's hope, for the sake of Cyprus, they never return. Peace and unity will come, but never through people like them. What a shame they live so far from each other – but then, diluted poison is so much less effective.

One thing that we should thank them for though, they have managed to unite so many of the other contributors to this forum, from all nationalities and backgrounds. Which, ironically, is the very last thing they wanted to do.

Why are people like you such apologist for the Turks, or even worse, those hateful British that occupy stolen Greek Cypriot property . I am astounded that you appear more concerned about the sensitivities of the criminal then the rights of the victim.

Well Well Well What do know you another that supports me and GCG When I started this post I was told I was the only one that felt like I do.
GCG You will find that the majority that oposse our views are Turks
The GC that oppose our views in my book are traitors.
How the hell can a GC call me racist full of hate etc when all I want is for the army to leave and the settlers including the dirty old fuck that decided to retire probably in my fucken house.
You are 100% right when you say they do not want to leave Every body in here calls them our compatriots and friends thats because they are Turks themselves yet they fly a different flag. If they are cypriot then the cyprus flag should be erected .
Every one that says thank god that we live away from Cyprus WELL NEWS FLASH IDIOTS WE CANT GO HOME WE WERE FORCED.

[malaka]

[quote="miltiades"]As you can see Sir the overwhelming majority of Cypriots want nothing more than to live in peace in their homeland as free people with every citizen enjoying liberty , free from fear , and with human dignity. None wish to see Cyprus divided and partly occupied by a foreign power with 40000 on its soil. The Malakas and co. mentality will ensure that Turkey , the foreign power , will remain indefinetely on our soil for as long as the Turkish Cypriots demand that it does.[/quote


You have issues seek help.
Partly occupied by foreign power TURKEY you think the Turks call their army foreign.
The miltiades and co mentality will ensure that all GC refugees never return to their homes

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

malaka

Well Well Well What do know you another that supports me and GCG When I started this post I was told I was the only one that felt like I do.
GCG You will find that the majority that oposse our views are Turks
The GC that oppose our views in my book are traitors.
How the hell can a GC call me racist full of hate etc when all I want is for the army to leave and the settlers including the dirty old fuck that decided to retire probably in my fucken house.
You are 100% right when you say they do not want to leave Every body in here calls them our compatriots and friends thats because they are Turks themselves yet they fly a different flag. If they are cypriot then the cyprus flag should be erected .
Every one that says thank god that we live away from Cyprus WELL NEWS FLASH IDIOTS WE CANT GO HOME WE WERE FORCED

malaka when i first came on this forum i assumed everyone was greek Cypriots people like mrfromng and kalahari attacked me called me a racist i assumed they where greek but i just found out mrfromng is a turk Cypriot and yesterday i just found out kalahari is english lots of greek Cypriots share are views malaka but the people who call us racist for wanting the turks to leave cyprus are probably not all greek Cypriots i also have suspicoin that that michalis is not greek Cyprus i seen his anti greek post militades i think is greek Cypriot but his a turk appeaser but not all greek cypriots are like him

[miltiades]

My fellow Cypriots , and fellow members ,I wonder how many of us share the counterproductive worthless irresponsible decrepit ideas that a number of members are posting , regarding the future of our Island and how to go about finding a just solution . I propose that we take a vote on how many of us agree with me that the only way forward is to make peace with our fellow Cypriots the Turkish , this does not mean peace at all costs on the contrary all my posts can be read and are clear on a number of points.
A. Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots irrespective of religion or ethnicity.
B. All foreign troops out of Cyprus , this includes the Greek army too.
C. The return of alll refugees to their ancestral homes.
D. A united Cyprus , member of the European Union abiding by the human righs constitution of the EU , European guarantees for Cyprus's independence EU guarantees for safeguarding the minorities rights.
E. A new Cyprus government embracing all peoples of Cyprus.

I think the above concepts , from a layman basicaly , but a true Cypriot are constructive towards reaching a solution.
Hateful , repugnant , nauseating views will only lead to Cyprus becoming a permanently divided island.

[cypezokyli]

As you can see Sir the overwhelming majority of Cypriots want nothing more than to live in peace in their homeland as free people with every citizen enjoying liberty , free from fear , and with human dignity. None wish to see Cyprus divided and partly occupied by a foreign power with 40000 on its soil. The Malakas and co. mentality will ensure that Turkey , the foreign power , will remain indefinetely on our soil for as long as the Turkish Cypriots demand that it does.[/quote


You have issues seek help.
Partly occupied by foreign power TURKEY you think the Turks call their army foreign.
The miltiades and co mentality will ensure that all GC refugees never return to their homes

could you tell us your mentallity on how you would achieve all refugees returning back ?
and please if it is possible , constraint your great plan in this millenium.
thank you