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[cypezokyli]

not only turkish , but also venetian and from all conquerors that came in cyprus.
and dont forget, cyprus has civilazation before the greeks came here.

but you cannot deny the bonds between gc and greeks , as well as tc and turks. to a big extent they are the result of nationalism, but still you cannot deny that they exist

[michalis5354]

Yes you are right cypezokily I dont deny at all the links with the Turkey and Greece and this is subjective indeed and open to different explanations!

[kalahari]

michalis5354 is quite right. Cyprus is the independent and unique country that it is because it has become a glorious melting pot of many cultures, as behoves a country in its unique position – a stepping stone to Asia, Africa nd Europe. You will find traces of Greek, Turkish, English, Egyptian etc all stirred up into the incredibly flavoursome soup that is Cypriot culture. Yes, malaka – CYPRIOT!

What makes England great? It is the incredible diversity of national and innternational cultures that it readily and tolerantly embraces. Cyprus is the same, but for some belligerent xenophobes that are determined to protect the "status quo" (historic hatreds) because they cannot bring themselves to change.

Oh yes, England has the same problems – they won't go away. But ignoring them and accepting them, and allowing people who hide in Australia to inflame old prejudices, will only make matters worse.

There is no honour in poisoning your countrymen to hate.

[michalis5354]

What makes England great? It is the incredible diversity of national and innternational cultures that it readily and tolerantly embraces. Cyprus is the same, but for some belligerent xenophobes that are determined to protect the "status quo" (historic hatreds) because they cannot bring themselves to change.

Totally Agree!

[akiner]

But if you are lazy, the answer to your question is no, Tuks are a creation of the idea of an ottoman general called Kemal... Greeks or better Hellenes (greek comes form grekos which was how the ottomans well calling the Hellenes) have a history that goes back to more than 2000 years in this part of the world.

ahaa another creation about the Turk

Orkhon script hmmm what is this

LOOK there is a three-head Turk over there

[akiner]

Know your enemy well Strahd:)

[Piratis]

I have always advocated in life to strive for the best result possible rather than the best possible result.

What I advocate is democracy and human rights. If we forget about these principles and we simply strive for the best result possible then what we have is called jungle: If you are weak you shut up and take the peanuts that are thrown to you , if you get stronger you enslave others and profit from their loss.

In the case of Cyprus this means a never ending conflict since what is "possible" changes from time to time unlike the universal principles of human rights and democracy that remain mostly the same.

Germany and England committed terrible atrocities against each other in the last World War. Both countries have, by and large, moved on.

Would they have moved on if Hitler took 1/3rd of the UK and Germany still had that part of the UK under occupation?

We can move on from what happened in the past. We can forgive and even forget many things. But how can we move on from something that keeps happening as we speak?

Unfortunately Turkey continues to illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus with lame excuses that expired 32 years ago.

[kalahari]

We can move on from what happened in the past. We can forgive and even forget many things. But how can we move on from something that keeps happening as we speak?

Unfortunately Turkey continues to illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus with lame excuses that expired 32 years ago.

Excellent – specifics at last! Thank you Piratis.

Should we hate all Greeks? No. Should we hate all Turks no? Should we hate our brother Cypriots because they happen to lie north or south of some illusory line? Of course not.

Have the Turkish government committed an illegal act? Undoubtedly yes.
Do they continue to illegally occupy a territory with a standing army of 40,000 to impose their illegal will? Undoubtedly yes. Is their continuing defiance of international law both arrogant and stupid? Undoubtedly yes.
Will their continued defiance deny the Turkish people their rightful place alongside the other nations in the EU? Undoubtedly yes.

Does this mean that…

Turks & Greeks have been enemies since the beginning of time.
Turks & Greeks will remain enemies.
The only solution for the Cyprus problem is for GC to take back what belongs to them by force.

No.

It is simply insane to accuse an entire nation of extraordinarily nice people (the Turks) for responsibility for the acts of an out-of-control government. If you need evidence of this, talk to any Englishman or most knowledgeable Americans about Iraq.

And the worst thing of all is that this continuing act is indoctrinating a generation of Cypriots that their beautiful independent nation is somehow the divided property of two entirely seperate nations (Greece and Turkey) who have no claim to the sovereignty of Cyrpus at all.

Cypriots of all genetic nationalities should realise that they all stand on the same sacred, independent soil and rejoice in this together. While they squabble the Turkish government will laugh and stay. The UN will stay. The British military will stay. The Greek government will say "how easy it is for us to occupy an independent nation, without even having an army present! These people think they are all Greek anyway!"

It is time for the united people of Cyprus to realise that they are one nation, that the independence that they have so long desired is theirs by right, and to face the future together, as one nation.

And, as one nation, to begin the slow diplomatic struggle of telling the Turkish government that their army of occupation is resident on Cypriot soil – not TC, not GC, but CYPRIOT – and it is time for them to leave, quietly and with dignity, before they take their rightful place at the table with the other nations of the EU.

Do the Turkish government and the Greek government hate each other? Well, possibly they do. Governments of all nations seem to be rest homes for the criminally insane these days.

It's when the good, hardworking people of these nations get whipped up into believing that their governments truly represent their beliefs and interests that things start to go pear-shaped. They don't. They never will. True democracy takes place in the streets, offices and kitchens.

Cyprus will remain divided while its people believe it is.

[miltiades]

The nature of my business is such that on a daily basis I come in contact with my Turkish Cypriot compatriots since a great deal of them in the UK are involved with the Catering trade. Apart from one individual who expressed similar views to those of our Australian friend who calls himself Malakas ? , all others have expressed the wish to interact with their fellow compatriots in a peaceful enviroment , in a united Cyprus with Cypriots in charge .We all ofcourse know that this is a long way away if indeed it ever becomes a reality, I would gladly cast my vote for a Cypriot political party that embraces both Greek ansd Turkish Cypriots all working for the benefit of this beautiful island . We are all Cypriots and yes we are destined to share this island , this land called Cyprus, NOT GREECE NOT TURKEY.It does not mean that anyone should deny their ethnicity, I stated previously that I call my self an Anglo-Greek , I celebrated along with the entire Hellenic world Greece's win of the European Championship, and can I say that quite a few of Turkish Cypriots in the UK supported Greece throughout the games. Long may Cyprus prosper and strive for a peaceful solution.

[malaka]

I realise I have come into this discussion late, but it is very close to my heart.

Malaka is an ex-Cypriot who has chosen to become an Australian. That's fine, good for you and good luck in your new nationality. I am an Englishman who has chosen to become Cypriot next year. I am already proud of my new chosen nationality, despite the fact that I am not yet officially Cypriot. I hope that Malaka is already proud of being an Australian.

What I do not understand at all is his belief that a grim, ghoulish determination to cling to the past is both defensible and admirable.

I know that tremendous horrors were committed by both parties in the conflict when Turkey invaded. I do not seek to defend these horrors, nor do I seek to defend Turkey's actions. I do not seek to defend the inaction of Greece or of England either. It is a general truism that in war no one holds the moral higher ground. War is morally corrupt and should be avoided at all costs.

We all know what is evil and what is not.

But to seek to establish evil as a status quo that is immutable and even desirable? Malaka, you unfortunately have some serious issues and should consider seeking therapy to help you move on. The alternative is a life lived within a personal hell, which would be very sad indeed my friend. Do not seek to spread your desperate malice to others.

Germany and England committed terrible atrocities against each other in the last World War. Both countries have, by and large, moved on. If you seek a target for injustice, chastise the German government for not allowing their ex-pat Turkish citizens a German passport. But I dare say that you have no mercy in your heart for our Turkish brothers, despite no doubt gratefully holding an Australian passport yourself.

You must rid yourself of hate. I am prepared to say that the vast majority of Turks and Greeks would disagree with your appalling statement. And as for the countrymen that you chose to leave (those whom you cannot bear to call Cypriots) they, I have no doubt, would prefer a peace to endless bloodshed and determined retribution.

Cyprus has moved on since you have left. I suggest you move on too.

3 kids at pre school. 4 year olds Mary Jonhnie & Jimmy the abbo (aborigine) (black Australian)

After lunch the teacher says to the kids we are going to have a spelling test if you get the spelling correct you can have an early mark.

Teacher looks at Mary and asks what did u do at lucnh time Mary? Mary replies I played in the sand pit with Johnie thats good says the teacher if you can spell sand you can go home S A N D Mary replies correct says the teacher u can go home Teacher looks at Johnie and asks what did u do at lunch time, Johnie replies I played in the sand pit with Mary. Good says the teacher spell pit and u can can go home P I T correct u can also go home.
The teacher looks at Jimmy the abbo and asks what did u do at lunch time. I wanted to play in the sand pit with Mary and Johnie but they would not let me. Thats ok the teacher replies if u can spell racial discrimination u can go home.

The above joke was posted by Malaka on this very forum. God, the deeply, deeply sad irony.

kalahari I did not choose to become an Australian I was forced. Desperate malace you are joking right? I simply asked if anyone shared my point of view. As for the country men that you say i chose to leave (forced out at gun point) I think they shared their point of view at the referendum.
Germany and England moved on yeah right that is why they hate each others guts withg angs on both sides killing each other here in Australia and all over theworld.
How amazing you can call the Turkish our brothers maybe your brothers never mine.
If you can not see the fuuny side of the joke you my friend are the one who has issues and needs help