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[andri_cy]

Piratis
Quote:The two communities were separated since the times of the Ottomans.
Are you sure? Do you really mean this-what about the mixed villages? My understanding that the physical separation and we can argue about the motivation started in the late 50's and early 60's. I have said before and I will repeat again partition for the TC was a reaction to Enosis-its bad enough being a threatened minority of 18% in Cyprus-union with Greece would have meant total annihilation of the TC's in Cyprus (not necessarily by massacres but simply diffusion and natural wastage)-look at what happened to the Turks in Crete.
Furthermore you may say that the vioence had ended by 1968 but the conditions for the TC's trapped in enclaves, enomically strangled were hardly ideal-a lot of left then for pure economic reasons. Its probably true to say that had the coup not happened the GC would have achieved their aim of forcing the TC to accept a much diminished TC population to accept a minority rights settlement.
I applaud the sentiments expressed by my friend Miltiades for us to look forward to a bright future as Cypriots first and foremost but unless you learn from the mistakes of the past you will be condemned to repeat them.
About flags I totally agree and I find it offensive that everywhere I go in the south I see nothing but Greek flags ( a foreign country after all) I would love to see them banned as well as all other foreign flags -this too would take guts

I know that the town I am from was mixed.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

michalis

GC girl the Maronites and the Armenians were not as the Turkishcypriots.According to the constitution the two official languages of the republic are Greek and Turkish . Also according to the constitution the Vice president of the republic was a Turksih Cypriot and the President a Greekcypriot. You see now the difference. Read the consitution of the republic and you can see what I am saying!

You can not demand from the TCs to accept what the Armenians and the Maronites have. You need to compare like with like you see my point!

michalis the turkish Cypriots have a vice president even thought they where a minority In separate communal elections Makarios became president, and Fazil Küçük, leader of the Turkish Cypriots, became vice president. In the early 1960s, political arguments over constitutional interpretation continually deadlocked the government. Greek Cypriots insisted on revision of the constitution and majority rule. Turkish Cypriots argued for strict constructionism, local autonomy, and the principle of minority veto.

that means michalis turkish Cypriots did have rights they had a turkish Cypriot vice president in goverment but the majority where greeks and turks did not like that they wanted a partition plan still that shows me that turkish Cypriots caused this trouble they had equal rights the armenians had rights and so did the maronites makarios did not opress the Turkish Cypriots the turkish Cypriots looked for excuses so they could have cyprus divided how comes there was a turkish vice leader in the goverment of Cyprus if turks did not have equal rights?

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

and the no matter what way you look at it michalis armenians and maronites where also non Greek minoritys like the turkish Cypriots they never complained about being treated unfairly infact armenians also lost there homes to in the north and the maronites so please stop making excuses and stop being a apoligist for the turkish invaders and wake up

[Kifeas]

Piratis
Quote:The two communities were separated since the times of the Ottomans.
Are you sure? Do you really mean this-what about the mixed villages? My understanding that the physical separation and we can argue about the motivation started in the late 50's and early 60's. I have said before and I will repeat again partition for the TC was a reaction to Enosis-its bad enough being a threatened minority of 18% in Cyprus-union with Greece would have meant total annihilation of the TC's in Cyprus (not necessarily by massacres but simply diffusion and natural wastage)-look at what happened to the Turks in Crete.
Furthermore you may say that the vioence had ended by 1968 but the conditions for the TC's trapped in enclaves, enomically strangled were hardly ideal-a lot of left then for pure economic reasons. Its probably true to say that had the coup not happened the GC would have achieved their aim of forcing the TC to accept a much diminished TC population to accept a minority rights settlement.
I applaud the sentiments expressed by my friend Miltiades for us to look forward to a bright future as Cypriots first and foremost but unless you learn from the mistakes of the past you will be condemned to repeat them.
About flags I totally agree and I find it offensive that everywhere I go in the south I see nothing but Greek flags ( a foreign country after all) I would love to see them banned as well as all other foreign flags -this too would take guts

Issy, what Piratis means is that the two communities were politically separated since the Ottomans, and he is absolutely correct on this! The Ottomans introduced and established in Cyprus the so-called "millet-devlet systemi" which they also had in all other parts of the Ottoman Empire. This system classified people of one place under categories based on their religious /ethnic (millet) characteristics, and assigned different rights /privileges and responsibilities /obligations to them. This differentiation /discrimination inevitably created conflicting interests and friction among the two so-called "millets" in Cyprus, and kept them always apart from each other in terms of developing a common and unified consciousness, something which continued under the British, which also regarded and treated Cypriots under the same concept, i.e. Christian Rum millet vs. Muslim /Turkish millet under the Ottomans, or Cypriot Turks vs. Cypriot Greeks under the British.

[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
Thank you for the clarification. I unreservedly accept your explanation. My misunderstanding I assumed he was refering to the physical separation of the two communities.

[michalis5354]

michalis the turkish Cypriots have a vice president even thought they where a minority In separate communal elections Makarios became president, and Fazil Küçük, leader of the Turkish Cypriots, became vice president. In the early 1960s, political arguments over constitutional interpretation continually deadlocked the government. Greek Cypriots insisted on revision of the constitution and majority rule. Turkish Cypriots argued for strict constructionism, local autonomy, and the principle of minority veto.

that means michalis turkish Cypriots did have rights they had a turkish Cypriot vice president in goverment but the majority where greeks and turks did not like that they wanted a partition plan still that shows me that turkish Cypriots caused this trouble they had equal rights the armenians had rights and so did the maronites makarios did not opress the Turkish Cypriots the turkish Cypriots looked for excuses so they could have cyprus divided how comes there was a turkish vice leader in the goverment of Cyprus if turks did not have equal rights?

This is what the constitution of the ROC offered to them. Why did Makarios sign the Constitution in the first place? My personal opinion is that the constitution was not unfair! People did not want Independence on those days and this is the reason the constitution failed.

[michalis5354]

and the no matter what way you look at it michalis armenians and maronites where also non Greek minoritys like the turkish Cypriots they never complained about being treated unfairly infact armenians also lost there homes to in the north and the maronites so please stop making excuses and stop being a apoligist for the turkish invaders and wake up

Wasnt you who proposed to carry out a war against Turkey , and Cypriots to kick them out from Cyprus! Wasnt this the proposal you have made to solve the Cy propblem . ?

Wake UP GC girl !!!!And then you want me to take you seriously! hmmm

[Issy1956]

Michalis5354
Quote: This is what the constitution of the ROC offered to them. Why did Makarios sign the Constitution in the first place? My personal opinion is that the constitution was not unfair! People did not want Independence on those days and this is the reason the constitution failed.

I agree with you 100%. The GC's only appreciated the beauty of independence (even if it meant sharing power with TC's) over enosis after the tragic events of 74 when it was too late.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

michalis

Wasnt you who proposed to carry out a war against Turkey , and Cypriots to kick them out from Cyprus! Wasnt this the proposal you have made to solve the Cy propblem . ?

Wake UP GC girl !!!!And then you want me to take you seriously! hmmm

michalis we cant go to war with Turkey i wish Cyprus had the stength to so we could get our land back but it cant be realistic Turkey has 70 million a strong military but we should at least punish Turkey in other ways by boycotting and blocking there EU membership.

why dont you michalis & other Turk sympathizers in this forum wake up and stop blaming makarios the constitution EOKA B and just realise that turkey invaded Cyprus because it was small and they could all this crap about how the Poor opressed TCs did not have rights come on they where 18%minority who had a Turkish Cypriot Vice president but it was not enough for them they wanted more and the greek Cypriots got fed and where forced to try change the constitution. When will you relise the Turkish Cypriots do not want re-unification unless its a something fake like the annan plan which is not really a re-unification plan when you think about its sad to see traitors from within

[cypezokyli]

gcg could you name the tc vice president from 63-74 ?