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[Piratis]

Here we see 2 extremes:

Extreme 1: The one of GreekCypriotGurl_UK, were all TCs are evil and are directly associated with the actions of the Turkish army.

Extreme 2: That GCs are the evil and TCs went to the north to be saved from the evil GCs and the Turkish occupation is justified since the evil GCs should be punished and should stay separated from the TC angels.

Non of these is of course true. The truth is that both TCs and GCs are the same kind of human beings and non of them is evil or angelic.

In the case of 1974 the truth is that Turkey invaded for its own strategic reasons, and TCs, that up until then had been brainwashed with the partition dream (like GCs were for enosis) went to the north to realize their dream without giving a damn about GCs. GCs would have probably done the same if they could realize their own dream.
(now I am talking about the majorities. Most definitely minorities within both groups are much more considerable than that)

However it is never too late. It is time for all Cypriots to understand that gaining something on the loss of the other group will never happen. It will be either a loss-loss or a win-win. Any gains on the loss of another will be only temporary until the next phase of the circle of blood.

The only way to reach win-win for all Cypriots is to finally end this racist discrimination and separation and to have one common body of equal Cypriot citizens, free to speak the language they want, their religion etc. This should be the aim and the solution should lead to this result (after the necessary transitional periods of course)

Only in this way common interests will be created and Cypriots will finally progress to the level they deserve. Of course some outsiders still have many interests into having Cypriots split into 2 and this is the biggest obstacle for achieving true unity.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

piratis appeasing the traitor Turkish Cypriots will get us nowhere i know i sound extreme but its true i am not a racist the reason i dont like turkish Cypriots is because they betrayed the greek Cypriots with wanting Cyprus to be devided dont forget ralf dentash is the Turkish Cypriot leader the war crimminal is he our compatriot ?

[Issy1956]

cypezokyli-thank you for the welcome to the forum and your sensible post. I know many many GC's and I am well aware that very very very few hold the extreme misguided views expressed by GC Girl. Unfortunately there will always be the extremists on either side with such pure hate in their hearts who just cannot be reasoned with irrespective of the facts or history.

[andri_cy]

issy Greeks where the first settlers in Cyprus read history Cyprus is a ancient Greek island Greeks first came in Cyprus around 2500bc as settlers and merchents from the greek islands and it was uninhabibted when greeks settled there so dont try and change history

issy i will never except the turkish Cypriots as freinds they will always be a enemy as they asked for turkey to invade and backstabbed Greeks and murdered Greeks with the tmt and they try to be victims they are also responsible for the genocide of 7000 greeks in 1974 along with the turkish Army its a shame that some Greek Cypriots cant see the turkish Cypriots for what they are

NExt should be the americans. Get them all the hell out of the US and send them packing to Europe. Maybe then the American Indians can get some long deserved justice. That all sounds nice and cool in a fantasy world where it all stays as it was in ancient time. Times change and people change. I think it is time to stop moaning and go a step forward. I keep hearing people go why negotiate they are the theives....
Well we either negotiate and find a solution or its going to be another 332 years before anything happens. Is it best that we compromise or we get nothing at all? Lets stop being hotheaded Greeks for a minute and think like the smart people we are.

[michalis5354]

GC girl wake up and learn the true history of Cyprus not the distorted one that they have taught you!

[miltiades]

Piratis, you expressed your views admirably well and with clarity Your focused on the present and you are constructive with your views , I congratulate you Sir.Most contributors share the view that has so often been expressed by many of us that it is time to go forward , MICHALIS has been advocating this for a long time now and BANANIOT so eloquently outlined the difficulties the western world would encounter should certain events were to occur. MRFROMNG told us that he considers that 99.9% of Turkish Cypriots call them selves Cypriot first and then Turkish , very modestly this compatriot of ours told us that he is proud to be a Cypriot - KIPREOS .
Our friend ANDRI in the States has enlightened the discussion with comments such us "send Americans back to Europe " where ofcourse the vast majority originated from. ISSY1956 , a new member has posted very constructive comments . I think its time to ignore the diatribe of GCGUK and call it irrational disagreeable and unappealing to the vast majority of Cypriots. I do not mean to offend GCGUK, I think she means well but if Turkey wanted evidence to produce to the UN in order to expand theories of Greek Cypriot polarisation on destroying the Turkish Cypriots her comments would assist Turkey a great deal. Hope she realizes this., and re examines her beliefs.

[Issy1956]

Piratis-what nonense you talk about the TC's being brainwashed by a partition dream. Why cant you face the truth that at that time they feared for their lives in the south and went to where they thought they would be safer. Its probably true that Turkey used the TC's for their own strategic reasons but what did you expect and the idiotic Junta and their Cypriot puppets gave them their excuse. It is also true that Turkey having intervened should have disarmed all the armed groups, restored the 1960 constitution which was the basis of their excuse to intervene in the first place and got the hell out of Cyprus perhaps leaving a token force behind.What separated the two communities in Cyprus in the first place in my view is the adherence of the GC's to the Hellenism ideal and Enosis -that was the root cause of the problem and you also underestimate the damage that was done the intercommunal relations in the previous period 1963-1974.
GC Girl Dentash is no more or no less of a war criminal than Tpapa. Your views are silly, absurd and undoubtly racist. You are a disgrace to the GC people.

[michalis5354]

I also disagree with Piratis claiming that the TCs have been brainwashed by the Partition dream. This is out of question at all! What would you expect the TCs to do Piratis? The option of partition is the only option that its being left to them to choose from !

[michalis5354]

And still I ask !Are you ready to solve the problem? Then Tell papadopoulos to come forward with a constructive approach to solve the problem.

[miltiades]

issy1956 , The Turkish Cypriots were indeed demanding partition in the 50s -60s , but as we said earlier delving in to past events will not help us solve the problem. You sound a reasonable person and Im sure you will consider that when 80% of the inhabitants of this island consider the Turkish army as invaders not interventionists, as well as most of the free world , then it is time that this utter nonsense is put to rest together with all other tribe that is mentioned on this site.Sir , are you a Cypriot above all , do you want your children to grow up in an artmosphere of fear , instability, and instead of votes they prefer bombs , do you love Cyprus as much as I do. Then join me and other Cypriot loving people and demand our leaders take possitive action to find a just solution. Piratis was quite correct. Greeks ware brainwashed with the motherland nonsense and so were the Turkish Cypriots. I lived through those years and saw events developing in front of my eyes.Also consider this. If the 80% were Turkish Cypriots how would they treat their fellow Cypriots.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS AND ALL CYPRIOTS.LONG MAY WE ALL ENJOY FREEDOM OF SPEECH , CHOICE OF RELIGION
CHOICE TO BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT TO , CHOICE TO COME AND GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT FEAR OF OUR LIVES BEING AT RISK.THIS SIR IS MY KIND OF CYPRUS.