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[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

hiyar herif

for those who didn't know - turks have been in cyprus since 1541

no hiyar Turks invaded Cyprus in 1571 killing 20,000 greek Cypriots and also they encouraged a migration of Turks from anatoila at that time those turks are the ancestors of Turkish Cypriots

greeks have been in Cyprus since 2500bc thousands of more years before the turks came in 1571 greeks are the indeginous people in Cyprus turks where the invaders from 1571 and still occupiers us to this day

[Kifeas]

hiyar herif

for those who didn't know - turks have been in cyprus since 1541

no hiyar Turks invaded Cyprus in 1571 killing 20,000 greek Cypriots and also they encouraged a migration of Turks from anatoila at that time those turks are the ancestors of Turkish Cypriots

greeks have been in Cyprus since 2500bc thousands of more years before the turks came in 1571 greeks are the indeginous people in Cyprus turks where the invaders from 1571 and still occupiers us to this day

GCG_uk, you are making a mistake with the above. 20,000 were murdered only in Nicosia alone, after the fall of the city by Lala Mustafa. If you count the number of people been killed in all the rest of the battle places, especially during the 1 year long siege of Famagusta in which the Ottomans lost about 80,000 soldiers until its fall, then the number of the dead Cypriot people is way more than 20,000.

Nevertheless and on a more serious note, do you honestly regard the T/Cs today, more than 400 years since 1571, not as equal citizens of Cyprus but as foreign occupiers here, especially if we consider that a large number of them are dissenting from the pre-ottoman Cypriots that converted from Christianity to Islam during the years of the ottoman occupation? I am all curious to know what you are in fact preaching here with all the above.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

kifeas your wrong about the turkish Cypriots being greeks who converted to islam 400 years ago do you know that when Turks invaded Cyprus in 1571 after they had killed thousands of greeks the turks also encouraged a migration of 20,000 Turks from anatolia to settle in Cyprus those 20,000 Turks are the ancestors of the Turkish Cypriots so why should i see them any different from the illegal setters today who also happen to be settlers from anatolia as the turkish Cypriots ancestors. So that means turkish Cypriots and illegal settlers are the same its jsut that the turkish Cypriots have been illegal settlers for the past 400 years

think in 400years from today are the illegal Turkish settlers who came in 1974 are they also gonig to be classed as turkish Cypriots?

[miltiades]

GreekCypriotGurl , what do you suggest we do ,stay burried in the past , dont you think it is time for the healing process to begin , what do you hope to achieve by the constant reminders of the past. Do you think we should get all Turkish Cypriots and others out of Cyprus and pack them off to Turkey , ok how do you suggest we do this.
Come up with a suggestion or frankly my dear shut up.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

miltiades even though the turkish Cypriots have been in Cyprus as illegal settlers for the past 400 years what have they done except for geting turkey to invade i would forget the past if the turkish Cypriots would apolgise for what they have done to greeks and start protesting with greek Cypriots for the turkish Army to leave but i have not seen any Turkish Cypriot do that they want to carry on opressing the greek Cypriots with the Turkish Army and illegal Settlers militades

my sugestion is we do not negociate with any of the Turks including the turk cypriots why should we negociate anyway you dont negociate with thiefs and murderers who stole your home right? i suggest we cut of there electricity Block Turkey from joining the EU and encourage the international community to santion Turkey and N Cyprus we should also try and encourage more EU member countrys to block Turkey from EU membership

[miltiades]

GreekCypriotGurl , forgive me for not finding your arguments feasible or constructive, I know you love Cyprus as much as I do and Im certain that you share my dreams that one day Cyprus will be united with all refugees , Turks and Greeks returning to their ancestral homes .Frankly to nurture ideas that one day we somehow are going to force a nation of 70 million Turks to take back the Turkish Cypriots that as you say originated from Turkey is not only obsurd but un democratic and inslulting to our forefathers who invented democracy so many years ago. The Turkish Cypriots are our compatriots , the same as the Scots are compatriots to the English and the Welsh etc. You mention that we should lobby the EU to apply sanctions to Turkey and endeavour to block Turkey from joining the EU. Please listen carefully. THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS ARE HERE TO STAY.The Turkish army and settlers are not. This is the message we give Europe and the world , not the message of brutish irrationality,
because irrational , reactionary arguments such as yours , and forgime my rudeness , play in the hands of Turkey
I do hope that ideologies belonging to the past do not resurface and damage Cyprus's future prospects.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

i do share the same dream as you that cyprus will be reunited one day but i cant see the turkish Cypriots helping us are they really our compatriots ? if so why are they asking for Cyprus to stay divided i dont see any Turkish Cypriots asking the turkish army to leave infact didnt they want the Invasion? militades the turkish Cypriots are lying to you they have 2 faces they say they want Cyprus to be reunited and how they want peace and then on the other hand they saying they want the world to recognise the turkish republic of N Cyprus and they want the Turkish military to Stay

please militades ask any turkish Cypriot that you know if he thinks all the turkish Settlers and military should leave Cyprus and that greek Cypriot refugess and Turk Cypriots get there homes back and see how they answer you, my bet is the answer will be the poor turkish settlers let the stay or oh we dont trust Greek Cypriots becasue of EOKA B we want the turkish military there but is EOKA B around now ?


militiades i did not say to force back the turkish Cypriots back to Turkey the turkish Cypriots should have there homes back in the south and we should have our homes back to in the north but if they are not willing to act like compatriots and to continue Supporting the Turkish Occuaption they are our enemys as well as the Turkish military and Illegal Settlers and we should encourage sanctions against the North of Cyprus and see they are not our compatriots at all and yes our fore fathers invented Democracy and the Turks are trying to take it away from us

[cypezokyli]

there has been a period that the tcs were out in the streets , and neither clerides nor tpap did any move to take advantage of that and bring them to our side by some positive measures.
they never bothered to understand the tc society and when the tide for a number of factors was pushing the tcs towards us we were not in a position to reach our hand to them. we got stuck in the "we only discuss with turkey".
when i was recently reading some tc activist announcements of the time , and what tcs were writing while we were comfortably sitting in our coutches waiting them to make a revolution i wanted to cry.
from the societys point of view the tcs were ready , the condition were ripe , but we didnot smell it , and we let it overripe and get bad.

but we ll try again.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

cypezokyli i saw TC protesting in London but they where not protesting for the Turkish army or settlers to leave they where protesting for the world to end there sanctions in the north if the Turkish Cypriots want there embargo to end why do they not ask the turkish Army to leave or the settlers to leave and then they would not live under sanctions shows how 2 faced they are

[cypezokyli]

ok , perhaps you dont seem to realise what i was reffering to. i thought it was obvious
i was not reffering to post-referendum dates but in the period 2000-03.
i hope now it is clearer.
do you know sth of these protests ?
did you read anything about them ?
have you ever heard they happenned ?