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[Kifeas]

You are making a very wrong claim here! Better read the constitution again, before speaking in such absolutist ways and manner! The Greek and Turkish flags are explicitly permitted in the 1960 constitution in all private places (including schools run by each community.) The only places, in which they were not permitted, are RoC government buildings, something which holds true even nowadays. No government building is flying the Greek flag.

How you know I am wrong? Provide sources from the constitution to prove to me that I am wrong. I m pretty ceratin this is not the case!

Michalis, the reason I did not provide the actual text of the constitution but only a link to it, was only to make you go and read the whole thing until you find it, because based on what you keep saying in this forum, you seem to have never really read a single word from it.

Here is your infrormation:

Article 4
1. The Republic shall have its own flag of neutral design and colour, chosen jointly by the President and the Vice-President of the Republic.

2. The authorities of the Republic and any public corporation or public utility body created by or under the laws of the Republic shall fly the flag of the Republic and they shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic both the Greek and the Turkish flags at the same time.

3. The Communal authorities and institutions shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic either the Greek or the Turkish flag at the same time.

4. Any citizen of the Republic or any body, corporate or unincorporate other than public, whose members are citizens of the Republic, shall have the right to fly on their premises the flag of the Republic or the Greek or the Turkish flag without any restriction.

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/cyphome/govhom ... nguageNo=1

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, forgive me if i am wrong. When i cross at Ledra street to the North i see a Turkish flag flown beside the "TRNC" flag (that gets on my goat also) however when i cross back the first thing i see is the Greek flag flown beside the ROC and EU flags. I can understand the EU and ROC flags but would never consider that the Greek flag is there just to represent hellenism. It gives the impression of moving into Greek territory. Also at this checkpoint is it not an official ROC building as it is manned by ROC officials thus making it an official government building?

I know what you are saying and I perfectly agree with you. It shouldn’t be this way! It is paradoxical to say the least! Unfortunately there is a large proportion of the G/Cs that still feel unreasonably very sentimental when it comes to the use of the Greek flag, that no government has yet got the guts to take such an “unpopular” decision to remove the Greek flags from the cease fire lines. They wrongfully claim that the National Guard is not a purely RoC constitutional army but rather a G/C community one in order to defend the G/C community alone, since it was established in 1964, in view of the Turkish invading and partitioning threats, and therefore, according to them, the Greek flag should be permitted. That is why the National Guard enacted law is based on the principle of necessarily and excludes not only the T/C citizens of the RoC but also the members of the Armenian and Maronite communities of Cyprus. Of course this argument is not a serious one, and basically it is used only as a cover up in order to justify why all the RoC governments so far did not attempt to remove the Greek flags from the NG army camps and cease fire posts. In my view it is just another one of the many paradoxes that one will find in relation to the Cyprus issue.

[Strahd]

You are making a very wrong claim here! Better read the constitution again, before speaking in such absolutist ways and manner! The Greek and Turkish flags are explicitly permitted in the 1960 constitution in all private places (including schools run by each community.) The only places, in which they were not permitted, are RoC government buildings, something which holds true even nowadays. No government building is flying the Greek flag.

How you know I am wrong? Provide sources from the constitution to prove to me that I am wrong. I m pretty ceratin this is not the case!

Michalis, the reason I did not provide the actual text of the constitution but only a link to it, was only to make you go and read the whole thing until you find it, because based on what you keep saying in this forum, you seem to have never really read a single word from it.

Here is your infrormation:

Article 4
1. The Republic shall have its own flag of neutral design and colour, chosen jointly by the President and the Vice-President of the Republic.

2. The authorities of the Republic and any public corporation or public utility body created by or under the laws of the Republic shall fly the flag of the Republic and they shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic both the Greek and the Turkish flags at the same time.

3. The Communal authorities and institutions shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic either the Greek or the Turkish flag at the same time.

4. Any citizen of the Republic or any body, corporate or unincorporate other than public, whose members are citizens of the Republic, shall have the right to fly on their premises the flag of the Republic or the Greek or the Turkish flag without any restriction.

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/cyphome/govhom ... nguageNo=1

Thanks Kifeas! as always your answers are the best !

[michalis5354]

Michalis, the reason I did not provide the actual text of the constitution but only a link to it, was only to make you go and read the whole thing until you find it, because based on what you keep saying in this forum, you seem to have never really read a single word from it.

Article 4
1. The Republic shall have its own flag of neutral design and colour, chosen jointly by the President and the Vice-President of the Republic.

2. The authorities of the Republic and any public corporation or public utility body created by or under the laws of the Republic shall fly the flag of the Republic and they shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic both the Greek and the Turkish flags at the same time.

3. The Communal authorities and institutions shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic either the Greek or the Turkish flag at the same time.

4. Any citizen of the Republic or any body, corporate or unincorporate other than public, whose members are citizens of the Republic, shall have the right to fly on their premises the flag of the Republic or the Greek or the Turkish flag without any restriction.

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/cyphome/govhom ... nguageNo=1

Thanks for taking the time to clarify things but the above suggest that Greek flags are encouraged only on holidays and not every day . Does this mean Greek flags and Tukish flags are encouraged every single day?

I still have some concerns on this !

And please can you explain where specifically on the above webiste you found these information . Just give me a short link to take a look!

[michalis5354]

Still I am not convinced that the Greek and Turksih flags are encouraged every day as this is the case at the moment. It states clearly that these are encouraged only on holidays like National Holidays!

[michalis5354]

Any citizen of the Republic or any body, corporate or unincorporate other than public, whose members are citizens of the Republic, shall have the right to fly on their premises the flag of the Republic or the Greek or the Turkish flag without any restriction

States clearly OTHER THAN Public. Which suggest that Greek and Turkish Flags are strongly prohibited in public buildings!!!!

[Strahd]

Any citizen of the Republic or any body, corporate or unincorporate other than public, whose members are citizens of the Republic, shall have the right to fly on their premises the flag of the Republic or the Greek or the Turkish flag without any restriction

States clearly OTHER THAN Public. Which suggest that Greek and Turkish Flags are strongly prohibited in public buildings!!!!

Re michali... just a moment. Relax, stop beeing so strong and biased and read carefully. Your actions show that you are very young and a lot of range against the greek Cypriot community. These matters need careful thinking.

1. Flying the Greek flag or Turkish flag is not encouraged. It is a right of the Cypriot citizen. This is very different.

2. A public building is defined as a building of any public authority that does not belong specifically to any of the two communities. e.g. house of commons, bank of cyprus, police stations etc. It is not only legal to fly the flag privately e.g. in your bedroom but you can fly it in your balcony, the church, a football stadium etc.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

Malaka

Good for you I think you would find that the majority agrees.Not everybody has access to the internet.

We have not got the resources to get back our stolen land by force as you say without help it will not happen.
This is why you see some country men/women talking crap about negotiations. You steel from me I want it back NOT NEGOTIABLE.
1. Turkish army phuck off back to Turkey.They invade a country that can not beat them they knew it The whole world knows it then they rub it in by saying if you want it back come and get it.
2. Settlers phuck off I dont care if you lived here for 1 or 30 years you are illegal. If they married TC there problem take them back to where ever the phuck they come from.
3. GC & TC get back what they own no negotiations. 1960 agreements reinstated.
Call me stupid, racist, whatever.

THE FACT IS TURKEY INVADED STOLE PROPERTY SENT ALL ITS SCUM FROM TURKEY AND NOW WANTS TO NEGOTIATE.

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND TURKEY WILL GET THERES IF IT TAKES 1 YEAR OR 1000000 YEARS

you are right malaka all those negociations talks are crap how can we negociate with thiefs and killers like the turks they have no morals if they had any morals in the first place they would not have invaded Cyprus and killed and raped and those are the people that we are suppose to negociate with thiefs and killers if somebody steals your home why the phuck should you negociate with them it makes no sence they should just give back what they stole and get out of Cyprus

even though we do not have the resources to get our land back Turkey will pay for its crimes one day

[michalis5354]

Re michali... just a moment. Relax, stop beeing so strong and biased and read carefully. Your actions show that you are very young and a lot of range against the greek Cypriot community. These matters need careful thinking.

Please do not try to teach me , as I do not think I am as young as you think I am! And dont use this to discount my arguments in the first place!

1. Flying the Greek flag or Turkish flag is not encouraged. It is a right of the Cypriot citizen. This is very different.

The above analysis by Kifeas sets out conditions for such actions to justify Like having a national holiday etc not every single day unless you provide me with concrete clear extracts from the constitution.

A public building is defined as a building of any public authority that does not belong specifically to any of the two communities. e.g. house of commons, bank of cyprus, police stations etc. It is not only legal to fly the flag privately e.g. in your bedroom but you can fly it in your balcony, the church, a football stadium etc.

Public buildings include schools, house of commons yes , police station yes but sorry banks are private corporations . Statium and church are also public building with churchs having some concerns.Unless you provide to me concrete evidences that justify the above. From what Kifeas has pointed out ,Greek and Turkish Flags are encouraged only in National holidays and not at public buildings .

[Strahd]

Public buildings include schools, house of commons yes , police station yes but sorry banks are private corporations . Statium and church are also public building with churchs having some concerns.Unless you provide to me concrete evidences that justify the above. From what Kifeas has pointed out ,Greek and Turkish Flags are encouraged only in National holidays and not at public buildings .

By public is meant ROC public buildings and not community (Greek or Turkish) public buildings. ( as for the bank I ment the national bank of Cyprus and not the private banks)

In cyprus schools and education is ran separately for each of the two established communities, apart of course from private schools which can be whatever they want(e.g. English School). Same goes for sport clubs and stadiums of the respective communities, and of course the respective community places of religious worship.

Read the following and you will see that you can be considered anti-constitutional...

This is my friend Michael what is called bi-communal republic. And is vey well described in the 1960 constitution. So my friend all these ideas about forgetting who we are and adopting your model of Cyprus simply cannot work.