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[Bananiot]

There is nothing amazing about knowing historical facts. History teaches important lessons for mistakes of the past to be avoided in the present.

[michalis5354]

I think in a lot of cases the parents are to blame. I think hatred and disrespect is taught mostly at home. You cant expect the teachers to raise your children for you, it is your job. And if we were to get more involved in our kids lives and ask them what they learned in school today then maybe we will get the chance to tell them that we disagree with some things that they may or may not hae been taught.

Yes they ought to have told the events as they did happen and to provide the whole picture without skiping events and live the children to form their own mind based on what has happned and the truth.

My mother is a retired teacher so I know how hard of a job that has become nowadays. They teach whatever curriculum they are presented with. Some of them choose to put some of their personal poison in with the teaching some dont. My father fought in 1974 and he never spoke of TC's like they didnt belong here. Sometimes he spoke like Turkish invaders should go home yes, but that was all. If you ever got in a conversation with him you would see that he was mostly mad at JUnta and EOKA B because in all fairness they gave Turkey a valid excuse to invade. There are always two sides to every story and it seems that both sides in this case seem to forget about the other side.

There are different teachers and not all can be thrown in the same basket.However the authorities being the owns who devise policies ought to have presented a uniform curriculum accross all schools and to examine check and approve what is being taught at schools.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

These are assumptions only! The Turkish military sees Cyprus for strategic reasons yes but it is not up to them , there is also a Turksih government who can influence policies and who can make a change If there is indeed a real determination from all the people in Cyprus to end the conflict! TCs have also reasons to end the conflict , GCs also have . Turkey will not ignore these as long as the people of Cyprus want a solution. Just PROVE IT SHOW TO THEM THAT YOU WANT A SOLUTION BY ACTIONS NOT FAKE WORDS

are you sure i made assumptions? what about before 1974 turkey still tried to invade in 1964 and 1967 makarios did not support junta or EOKAS 2 and he was in power at the time so why would Turkey still invade? i do not beleive EOKA gave any excuse for Turkey to invade Turkey looked for a excuse

[michalis5354]

There were reasons why Turkey tried to intervened at those dates you refered. Many attrocities had happened that caused the lives of many innocent TCs. TCs were also inhabitants of this island.If such attrocities were not there then rest assure that Turkey could have never intervened and had no reason to.

[michalis5354]

EOKA B tried with any means and violence to destroy the republic of Cyprus established in 1960 and enforce through violence means its own agenda and strategy.

Makarios may have not supported EOKA B and juntabut he failed to establish strong laws to protect the independence of the Republic of Cyprus. Also he failed to protect the Turksih cypriots who had received a great hostility by local independent groups and had suffered many attrocities.

[michalis5354]

Just Look at Hong Kong it gained independence in 1996 from coloniast with no attempt to enforce any violent approach.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

michalis5354

[quote]There were reasons why Turkey tried to intervened at those dates you refered. Many attrocities had happened that caused the lives of many innocent TCs. TCs were also inhabitants of this island.If such attrocities were not there then rest assure that Turkey could have never intervened and had no reason to.


how can you say Turkey had a reason to invade Cyprus? seems to me you are trying to justify the invasion or maybe i am being to paranoid i agree TC did lose there lifes as did Greek Cypriots also lose there lifes by the TMT your forgetting turkish Cypriots also did crimes against greeks to sorry i totaly disagree with you EOKA was no justfication for turkey invading and killing and stealing peoples homes

[Piratis]

Piratis, would it be safe to say that the minority of GC's and TCs who "detest" each other have either not met their cousins on the opposite sides of the green line or had very minimal contact with them. I have found in my experiences that both TC's and GC's are very similar. The majority of which are very hospitable, helpful, decent people. There are some exceptions but every country has some "bad apples".

I think the problem is when the action of a minority are generalized. For example some GCs see the actions of the military controlled Turkey and associate them with all TCs and Turks. Also some TCs saw the actions of EOKA B and associate them with all GCs. Such generalizations are obviously wrong. Each person should be judged individually according to his own position and actions and not based on his ethnic background.

It is a pity that today, afer so much suffering in the hands of nationalists from both communities, we find ourself (in the south) governed by a most reactionary person and well known rejectionist while in the north, Talat and his party, along with other progressive forces have made huge strides forward.

Unfortunately the "leftist" Talad proved that unfortunately the TC leadership is nothing more than a puppet of the Turkish military elite. The change from Denctash to Talad happened when Turkey decided that it needed a new image. At that point Turkey, USA, UK etc decided that Talad was the leader and not the "president" Denctash.
We saw nothing progressive from Talad. The policy of Turkey remains the same: partition. What changed are their public relations methods, and absolutely nothing of substance.

About EOKA and EOKA B:

The cause of the original EOKA was a noble one: Getting rid of the colonialists and the self determination of the Cypriot people. Unfortunately the leader of EOKA and some others in its leadership were right wing jerks that didn't concentrate on what should be the real aim of EOKA and they sometimes used their weapons in criminal ways (e.g. murdering communists).

EOKA B was a treasonous terrorist organization that went against the democratically expressed will of the majority. It was similar to the TC terrorist organization of TMT that committed crimes in the name of partition, the aim of nationalist Turkish Cypriots.

I don't know what GreekCypriotGurl_UK knows about the Cyprus problem, but all of the above are common knowledge. However nothing in our history can be an excuse for the biggest crime that was committed in Cyprus since the time of the Ottomans, the illegal Turkish invasion of Cyprus and the ethnic cleansing of 1/3rd of the population.

Just Look at Hong Kong it gained independence in 1996 from coloniast with no attempt to enforce any violent approach.

Hong Kong didn't gain independence but was given back to China. Now there is a transitional period were Hong Kong will be mostly self governed until it integrates to the rest of China.
However it is wrong to confuse Cyprus with Hong Kong. Behind Hong Kong is China, the most populous county, one of the biggest economies with a huge army (and nuclears). The UK sinply could not keep Hong Kong. In the case of Cyprus they had made it clear that they would never allow independence. While after World War II most colonies gained independence, this right was refused to Cypriots. This is why an armed struggle started in 1955.

[michalis5354]

Piratis the Turks have stolen the GC properties temporariliy until a solution to the problem is reached. And also the GCs also have stolen the TC properties in the south until a solution is reached. Turkey has not refused to sit at the negotiating table which means that If Papadopoulos ask the UN to start a new UN effort to solve the problem in a constructive manner then Turkey will not refuse. So why dont all parties concerned come forward with dialogue to find an acceptable compromise? GCs also have reasons to end the problem . TCs also have reasons to end the problem and also now with EU accession Turksih also have reasons to end the problem . If all parties concerned have REASONS to END the PROBLEM THEN I DONT SEE WHY NOT TO GO FORWARD.

[cypezokyli]

it is called boundless human stupidity michalis.