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[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

its no use in trying to blame our side why Did turkey attack in 1571 killing thousands of Greeks? and now i wondering why did EOKA kill Turkish Cypriots piritis you said that Turkish war planes bombed Tylliria in the summer of 1964 did the Turkish Cypriots support Turkey bombing in 1964 ? if they did then maybe that justified to Grivas in reprisals the fact is we are not to blame Cyprus is To Small to defend it self so thats why it has always been invaded by Turkey. its like the same way everywhere the strong attack the weak the point is theres 70 million Turks in Turkey and ofcourse they would invade a small island like Cyprus becuase they could and want to take over lots of other places dont forget the aegean islands and parts of other coturnys to the only way to end the occupation in Cyprus would be for us to have a very strong military and force them out and take back what is ours theres no other way they will not give back what they stole otherwise

[cypezokyli]

gcgirl...

in 1571, capturing land was a common practise. you are talking about a complete different world.


if you were attacked in 1964 and greek plains came to your rescue wouldnt you support them ?

preciselly, it is like that everywhere , the strong attacks the weak (does that hold between gcs and tcs btw ? )
turkey did warn us twice that they are willing to attack. now... what do you do when you are the weak ?
how about try to avoid creating those conditions that would give the excuse to turkey to invade ?

NO, war is not a choise , no matter how you look at it.

[Bananiot]

GCG it was me that spoke about Tylliria. Grivas, attacked the Turkish Cypriots for no reason what so ever and Turkey came to their support, just as Greece would come to our support had they been able to in 1974. This proves that by our stupid mistakes we drew Turkey into Cyprus (and Greece) whilst we could have worked hard to make Independence work. We shoulder most of the blame and this is acknowledged by all independed historians but to keep uttering that we should be forgiven because Turkey did worse things 300 years ago is extremely childish and wins no points for us in the international arena but ironic loughter instead.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

bananiot

GCG it was me that spoke about Tylliria. Grivas, attacked the Turkish Cypriots for no reason what so ever and Turkey came to their support, just as Greece would come to our support had they been able to in 1974. This proves that by our stupid mistakes we drew Turkey into Cyprus (and Greece) whilst we could have worked hard to make Independence work. We shoulder most of the blame and this is acknowledged by all independed historians but to keep uttering that we should be forgiven because Turkey did worse things 300 years ago is extremely childish and wins no points for us in the international arena but ironic loughter instead.

there must have been a reason why Grivas did what he did it was not a good reason but still there must have been a reason and to say that WE drew Turkey into Cyprus is wrong it was not WE it was Grivas you say can you blame all Greek Cypriots for what Grivas did also the TC where also killing Greek Cypriots for years

also Turkey started this form 300 years ago and has continued it from this time why is it childish to mention what Turkey did 300years ago they killed our ancestors. If we do not learn our lessons from the past and make excuses or blame ourselfs then the problem will not only not get solved it will get worse to do you think Turkey only wants the North Part of Cyprus?

[Kikapu]

With all the crimes and killings Turks committed against the Greeks for hundreds of years, one wonders how Cyprus ended with 80% Greeks to Turks 20%. Some how the maths does not add up.

[malaka]

Just curious

How would every one react especially michalis5354 if the GC invaded next week and took back what they lost. Would it be justifiable.

its not only about being "justifiable" , but if it sth sensful , or if it has chances of bringing any real results. and i am not talking militarily (bc if we consider that - we are reffering to stupidity) but then a solution is going to be a final one (clear partition...or for the chrysi avgi people : a totally greek island).

that will create with certainty more hate, more pain more revenge.

not an option. absolutely not an option.

BUT IT WAS AN OPTION FOR TURKEY IN 74

1974 is not the same as 2006
we dont want to act like what we accuse , do we ?

We are not accusing anyone of anything It is a fact.
You steal from me I want it back simple as that.
NOT NEGOTIABLE

[malaka]

So???? If I steal from you all your belongings and then I tell you that I can negotiate to give you back a small part of them, e.g. your TV and DVD player if you give me 3000 pounds (= I will be robbing you even more) that means I stole your belongings "temporary"??

Turkey stole our properties and after decades of negotiations they have NEVER accepted to give it back. What they accept is that they can give a tiny part of what they stole back, and even for that they demand something in return.

Without being at negotiations do not assume what the other side is willing to accept or reject. My point is that go to negotiations speak , listen and propose ways to move things forward.


Human beings have been born to speak and to listen. So why not both TCs and GC leadership does not meet to devise ways to move things forward rather than expecting the rest of the planet to solve the conflict with a magic formula.

Stop spending so much time in your presidential palaces (For Both Papa and Talat). You have not been elected for that!

Are you for real.
You steal my car then you only want to give me back a tire??? You want to keep the rest of it.
Not negotiable I want my car back??

Simple as that.
By the way I will reporting you to get banned you call me stupid and racist
then you say Iam personally attacking you???

[malaka]

Yes they are stolen temporarily as I have not heard Turkey denying to come forward to the negotiating table.

So???? If I steal from you all your belongings and then I tell you that I can negotiate to give you back a small part of them, e.g. your TV and DVD player if you give me 3000 pounds (= I will be robbing you even more) that means I stole your belongings "temporary"??

Turkey stole our properties and after decades of negotiations they have NEVER accepted to give it back. What they accept is that they can give a tiny part of what they stole back, and even for that they demand something in return.

Piratis
I totally agree with your views but I happened to also post that on top of all this they also muredered raped etc and I do not like and hate the Turks that did this.
I also posted that Greeks and Turks were and always will be enemies.
What is your view???

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

Greeks and Turks will always be enemies as far as i am concerned i agree with malaka on that. Turks where always the Invaders in Cyprus not the Greeks Turkey would take away the whole of Cyprus Tommorrow if they Could, the only thing stoping them is the EU and West what if the West or EU said to turkey if you try to take all of Cyprus we wont get involved? i beleive Turkey would then try and take the whole of Cyprus dont forget when Turkey invaded in 1974 they wanted to take all of Cyprus the thing that stoped them was the UN peacekeepers and West from doing taking all of Cyprus

[michalis5354]

By the way I will reporting you to get banned you call me stupid and racist
then you say Iam personally attacking you???

The attitude that all Turks are evil this is racist attitude. The assumption that you used that since Turks and Greeks were enemies in the Past and that they will remain enemies for ever sorry to me sounds stupid!

The word malaka is an insult in Cyprus and you know it very well!

YOu are very funny and let me ask how old are you first before going any further!

You have the right to report me to the Admin but let the Admin decide first !