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StuartN

"Respect other peoples opinions and you might get respect back."

Nobody - not even Malaka, I'm sure respects racist or bigoted opinions - no matter what race they refer to - or is it different between GC's and TC's?

stuartN aka Stuballstu shame you dont respect anyones apinions with out having to call them a racist if you dont agree with you

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

I couldnt help but reading some post about the Turkish Cypriots loses who is to blame for the Turkish Cypriots loses? wasnt it Turkey that Forced the turkish Cypriots out of there homes in the South so they could go and live in the North infact how comes the Turkish Cypriots have never spoken out agiasnt Turkey making them move to the north since they are so upset about there precous homes?

[Bananiot]

No my dear. Unfortunately we encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to move into "safe heavens" otherwise called enclaves, after the intercommunal strife started in 1963. That was a stupid and short sighted thing to do and literally delivered the whole Turkish Cypriot community into the warm embrace of Turkey. I can't really blame them. They had to survive ...

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bananiot

No my dear. Unfortunately we encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to move into "safe heavens" otherwise called enclaves, after the intercommunal strife started in 1963. That was a stupid and short sighted thing to do and literally delivered the whole Turkish Cypriot community into the warm embrace of Turkey. I can't really blame them. They had to survive ...

bananiot i was refering to the turkish invasion in 1974 it was the turkish Army that encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to go to the north not the greek cypriots my point is the Turkish Cypriots have no right to blame greeks for losing there homes in the south as it was turkeys fault for invading Cyprus in the First place.

[cypezokyli]

some tcs also lost their houses even before 1974

[michalis5354]

So???? If I steal from you all your belongings and then I tell you that I can negotiate to give you back a small part of them, e.g. your TV and DVD player if you give me 3000 pounds (= I will be robbing you even more) that means I stole your belongings "temporary"??

Turkey stole our properties and after decades of negotiations they have NEVER accepted to give it back. What they accept is that they can give a tiny part of what they stole back, and even for that they demand something in return.

Without being at negotiations do not assume what the other side is willing to accept or reject. My point is that go to negotiations speak , listen and propose ways to move things forward.

Human beings have been born to speak and to listen. So why not both TCs and GC leadership does not meet to devise ways to move things forward rather than expecting the rest of the planet to solve the conflict with a magic formula.

Stop spending so much time in your presidential palaces (For Both Papa and Talat). You have not been elected for that!

[Bananiot]

The Cyprus problem did not start in 1974. It goes back to 1958 and beyond. When Turkey invaded we did terrible things to poor, simple Turkish Cypriots living in isolated villages (Maratha, Sandalaris, Aloa are just some examples). It was only natural for Turkish Cypriots to want to move to the north where they would be protected, albeit by the Turkish army. Another example. When Turkish war planes bombed Tylliria in the summer of 1964 (we started the war there, Grivas that is) Papadopoulos, Vice leader of Akritas, threatened to completeley anhilate two Turkish villages for reprisals. Makarios gave the order to go ahead, but a brave commander of the National Guard (can't remember his name at this moment) refused to obey orders. Before 1974, Turkish Cypriots just disappeared from the face of the earth (eg three young boys in Aredhiou who were arrested by the police and vanished while in police custody).

The reasons I site atrocities committed by our side only is because I firmly believe that we are mostly to blame for our predicament since we were the majority and in full contol prior to 1974 with a legitimate government, yet we behaved as though we were nothing but terrorists, pushing the Turkish Cypriots further and further away from us and naturally into the arms of Turkey and the Turkish extremists of the likes of Raouf Denktash. All we needed back then was an attack of peace, an attack of love towards our compatriots, to swing the balance, to bring them firmly onto the side of legitimacy and a truly independed Cyprus. We failed miserably and now we are paying for our past mistakes. It may not be fair but this is how life is.

[Kikapu]

Bananiot,
Telling the truth is what will get Cyprus back on track. Unfortuanetly too many people are stuck in their hatred to the other side and willing to only see everthing from their own point of view. A simple test to all is, never do to others that you would not want to be done to you. We should all walk in each others shoes for a while to get to see how much pain was inflicted to each side.

[Bananiot]

Absolutely agree, but remember the bitch that gave birth to evil nationalism is pregnant again.

[Piratis]

The Cyprus problem starts long long time ago when the separation between higher class Muslims and second category Christians was enforced by the Ottomans. Did you know that Greek Cypriots were forced to pay 5 times more taxes and their testimony was not accepted to courts? When Greek Cypriots tried to revolt against this, the Turks were cutting their heads off. 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots died during that period.

Or maybe GCs woke up one day and said: Oh, today lets starts a conflict with TCs?

Bananiot, can you tell us please about the 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots that were killed from even before 1571 and until 1974? Can you tell us about the ethnic cleansing that Turkey continues to enforce in Cyprus? Can you tell us about TMT and their crimes against Greek Cypriots? Can you tell us about the partition plans of Turkey and many TCs even before 1960?

Or the only thing you know to talk about are the crimes of GCs who have only been 1/100th of those of Turks in Cyprus?


Here, I will help you with a bit from 1958 that you talked about:

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.