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[Agios Amvrosios]

Denktash Jnr is claiming that TPap was at best working towards a snail paced solution by decades of "Osmosis".

I am not sure if Osmosis is such a bad thing. I think it is pulling the pants down of Turkish Extremists who say Turkish Cypriots cannot work and live with Cypriots.

Since Denktash Senior opened the Green line I genuinely beleive that many Turkish Cypriots now feel safe and secure enough to:

1. )Work in the free areas. Does any one have a statistic of how many Turkish Cypriots work in the free areas today? They only go home to sleep. Who can honestly say that it is impossible for Turkish Cypriots to live in the same apartment building as Greek Cypriots?

2. ) Many Turkish Cypriots shop in the free areas. Weekly supermarket shopping in the free areas is no problem for Turksih Cypriots-(except I've noticed that they raid the "self service nut bar");

3) Many Turkish Cypriots bludge free health care in CLinics and Hospitals in the free areas.

Turkish Cypriots have to honestly ask themselves are these people afraid to integrate and cooperate with the rest of Cyprus? The obvious answer is NO. The argument that Turkish Cypriot extremists put up that Turkish Cypriots are afraid for their safety and therefore they are entitled to maintian the ethnic cleansing of every last Armenian, Maronite and Greek Cypriot is a farce and deep down they know it.

The truth is that extremist are trying to justify maintaining the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Occupied Cyprus. Who believes these dinasaurs?

[BirKibrisli]

I think the fear of GCs goes a lot deeper than what you suggest,Agios.
I am constantly surprised at otherwise reasonable people who freeze at the thought of not having the Turkish Army to protect them.
It is almost an automatic psychological reaction,and it will take years of concerted effort to reverse it. I was reading something about Pyla (Pile) the other day,and one TC who lives there under the protection of the British bases and the UN police force was saying he felt safe because he knew there were Turkish soldiers on top of the hill nearby.You underestimate this psycological condition at the expense of a peaceful,just, and lasting solution...

[Agios Amvrosios]

What about all the Turkish Cypriots who work and shop everyday in Limassol which miles away from the Turkish Army?

Do these people just want their bread buttered on both sides?

Are the Turkish Cypriots who go to Government Offices to wait in qeues to receive hand outs willing to integrate?

[BirKibrisli]

Desperate people do desperate things.
And TCs are a desperate community,but don't expect them to admit it.
And remember that they feel they were pushed out of Government in 1964,so they think they are owed something for 42 years of being kept in the freezer. I know it is difficult for most GCs to see the TCs as victims,but that is what they are. They are being slowly reduced to a minority even in their own pseudo state,with political power increasingly slipping from their grasp.The only people who can help them are the GCs,but they are too proud to openly ask for help.Lining up for jobs or government services in the ROC is a cry for help,the nearest they will get to admitting that they are in dire straights.

[Agios Amvrosios]

As a Greek Cypriot I see Turkish Cypriots as my long lost cousins. We must help them but they should work with us in True unity and intergration. After many decades maybe trust will be developed.

[BirKibrisli]

As a Greek Cypriot I see Turkish Cypriots as my long lost cousins. We must help them but they should work with us in True unity and intergration. After many decades maybe trust will be developed.

Better see us as your immediate cousins,Agios.Because that is what we are.One family,one nation.One people.And the more settlers they see the more the TCs realise they are more Cypriots than Turkish.But they are squeezed between a rock and a hard place.I don't have anything against Tpap but I am afraid his approach to the whole issue does leave a lot to be desired.My personal opinion is that a quick solution to Cypro goes through the 1960 constitution,getting back together and making that one work properly,making the necessary changes of course to make it more democratic and less cumbersome.I am not sure if that is the will of the present GC leadership.We might have to wait for another crop of more pragmatic politicians for a solution...

[Agios Amvrosios]

I agree with you that the 1960 constitution is probably the best both Greek and Turkish Cypriots can hope for.

I think that any future solution would resemble the 1960 solution much more than the Annan Plan.

[andreasv]

Ayios Amvrosios congratulations on a well said argument at the top. I feel that most Cypriots from the North (I choose not to refer to Cypriots as either Greek or Turkish. Perhaps may be Greek Speaking or Turkish Speaking). I feel that solution is not the right term either, may be best to use integration of both larger communities, but things have changed since 1974. I am sure there are more ethnic groups now represented in Cyprus. For starters I think the British have exceeded any of the ethnic groups living in Cyprus. Ironic really the British have probably, instigated the whole 1974 thing and they can probably solve it if they so desired but they stand to loose a great deal anyhow. I also feel that if Turkey got her troops out of Cyprus our brothers and sisters now living in the north would embrace a solution. However the likes of Talat, Dektas etc would miss out on a huge ego trip and power.

Anyway this will go on and on and on for another 30 years because Cyprus means nothing to the UK and US and probably to EU. I pose this question to the forum if Turkey said no to opening its ports and airports to Italian, French, English traffic would this have been acceptable to the EU. So why compromise Cyprus. And by this I mean north and south.

Why are Cypriots from the north, use public health, employment opportunities, shopping facilities etc. Because they have seen the benefits of a democratic country that accepts them and respects them.

The solution to the Cyprus problem is not a political one it is social, educational and Justly based. The 1960's constitutional is probably what Cyprus needs. Return of refugees to their homes, properties and villages would ensure long term peace for all Cypriots anything less will lead to a similar problem faced by Israel.

An interesting read is an article from Turkish speaking Cypriot business people. I googled it the other day.