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Was there "genocide" in Kosovo? Not according to
a year's worth of intelligence reports filed with
German courts by the German Foreign Office.

Spanish experts see no Serbian genocide in Kosovo

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/emperorsclothes01.htm

[bg_turk]

Was there "genocide" in Kosovo? Not according to
a year's worth of intelligence reports filed with
German courts by the German Foreign Office.

What precisly are you trying to prove? I did not use the word genocide, I talked of massacres. But in any case the above report proves beyond any doubt with concrete physical evidence that Serbs did plan and seek to systematically destroy the muslim population of Kosovo, so it can be legitimately refered to even as a genocide - which is precisley a planned campaign for the annihilation in whole or in part of an ethnic group.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/emperorsclothes01.htm

An interesting website. Among other things it also clams that Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are facist states:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/ ... /index.htm

Talks of the Chechens legitimate right to freedom of expression as "terrorist propaganda"

http://www.aeronautics.ru/chechnya/terror01.htm

and here it even expresses regret that Russian soldiers have missed the great opportunity "to fight Albanian extremists in Kosovo"

http://www.aeronautics.ru/chechnya/102899.htm

Bravo I could not have found a more objective source of information.

[bg_turk]

Let's read from some slightly more cledible sources like the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

http://www.osce.org/publications/odihr/ ... 506_en.pdf

Some extracts:


"Clearly, there were many young men involved in the UCK (the Kosovo Liberation Army) but every young Kosovo Albanian man was suspected of being a terrorist."

"At Iglarevo/Gllareve (Klina), the young men were not allowed to leave as the rest of the villagers were expelled by Serb forces on 17 March 1999.

"The next day one of the villagers went back to the village to see what had happened to the boys. He saw the burned body of a boy tied up to hay; only the bones and parts of the legs were left. Eleven other boys had all been shot at the same spot, executed. They buried the young men right there."


Four of the young men were shot in their backs as they were lying face down on the asphalt

The report details an incident in Podgradje/Pogragje (Gnjilane), when 30 paramilitaries drove through the village on a stolen tractor. Five young men, Kosovo Albanians, were at that time coming from the other direction. The paramilitaries stopped them, ordering them to lie down on the road so that all the villagers could see. Then the paramilitaries trod on the backs of the young men for a while and beat them with rifles.

"After that four of the young men were shot in their backs as they were lying face down on the asphalt. The paramilitaries told the fifth one to go in the village and get some fuel so that they could burn the bodies. When he refused to do so, they put him on top of the bodies and shot at him. He was wounded but survived."

Violence against women

In its report, the OSCE says that much of the violence towards women seems to have been intended to humiliate the whole of Kosovo Albanian society.

"Instead of being arbitrarily killed, as were many men, women suffered rape and other forms of sexual violence, since the perpetrators knew that this attached extreme stigma in many women's eyes."

In one case study, a 21-year-old Kosovo Albanian woman described how she and a female relative were subjected to a six-hour ordeal of abduction and rape by Serbian police in mid-February 1999, after being arbitrarily detained as they were on their way to attend a wedding.


They took our clothes off and each of them raped us. We were raped more than once by each of them
Rape victim
"At 18:00, as we were having some food in the bus station while waiting for the bus, five [police officers] arrived. They were around 25-30, except one who was 50, bald and had some insignia of rank on his arm. They asked what we had in our suitcase. 'You have bombs,' they said. They searched the suitcase, and said 'You have to come with us to the police station'.

"We drove for three hours outside Prizren. We arrived in an open field near an Orthodox church and a lake. It was still snowy and cold. We had to empty our pockets and my ID was torn. They took our clothes off and each of them raped us. We were raped more than once by each of them.

"After we were raped we had to enter the lake. The water went up to our chests. It was freezing. They also put our heads under the water for a while. They raped us again.

"They made jokes on us. Then they played with the barrel of their rifle on our breasts. I told them that I would inform the police and they answered that, if I did, they would kill all the members of my family and burn our house. I spat on them and they beat me. They left at midnight."

Impact of the conflict on children

The OSCE says the suffering of children was often extreme.

It provides an example of a 13-year-old boy from the town of Suva Reka who gave the following statement:

"There was a shooting incident between [the] UCK and the police near my neighbourhood. The UCK was trying to prevent the police from coming in. The police finally arrived and kicked into our house.


"My sister and I and my father were on the ground floor. My mother was upstairs and saw them coming in. She shouted for my dad to leave the house. As my dad opened the door to leave, they shot him.

"Then the four policemen entered our house. They hit my sister with the big part of the automatic weapon. They turned and pointed the gun at me. I fainted. The police did not shoot me. They were looking for money or they'd kill us. Ten minutes later, I became conscious again. My dad was lying on the floor just outside.

"I shook my dad three times. No reaction. He was not dead yet because he is strong. His arms were destroyed, he was full of blood. I was scared and ran away. I heard two shots at my father. The policemen were going into houses and killing people. They were using silent guns [silencers]. I heard them in a house and later went in and saw five people dead in that house.

"I left our house but my sister stayed behind and cared for my dad. She said that a policeman told her to go inside right away. As she did, a bullet flew by her head, just missing her.

"I went to my neighbour's house. My sister joined me in the afternoon. We went later to my house and my father's body was gone. There was blood on the stairs like he was pulled. I have not seen him since. My mother is also gone. I don't know where she is."

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

the point is there is no evidence of Genocide in Kosovo genocide albanians still exist today in kosovo, where are the serbs from kosovo ? i thought it was the albanians who where being cleansed and genocided so how comes the albanians are still there infact it was the other way round it was serbs who where ethnicle cleansed by the albanian KLA as the serbs where forced out but since the media is pro albanian and anti serb they lie

[cypezokyli]

ofcource there was no genocide in kosovo, and bg_turk did not say that.
but, since there was some years before aplace called srebrenica, it may well have been the case that the serbs could have repeated that
now...were the albanians innocent ? ofcource not.
its nationalism and once you get infected by it, usually you end up in stupid attrocities... whether serb, croat, kosovar, turk or greek.

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

Bg_turk wrote

Greece supported Serbia because of their shared anti-muslim paranoia and hatred

BG_turk no offense but it seems the whole free world is anti muslim nowadays

[bg_turk]

BG_turk no offense but it seems the whole free world is anti muslim nowadays

But not to the extent that they would remain indifferent to the horrible massacres in Srebrenitsa and Kosovo.

Greece was not only indifferent and blind to the suffering of people, but in fact it supported its ally Serbia. What is even more shocking is the evidence that Greek citizens actually participated in the massacres

http://www.kalami.net/2005/cosmos/vosnia.html

[GreekCypriotGurl_UK]

BG_turk

But not to the extent that they would remain indifferent to the horrible massacres in Srebrenitsa and Kosovo.

bg_turk there is no evidence of massacres in kosovo in bosnia there was genocide on serbs as well as muslims it was a civil war

[bg_turk]

Kardjic giving medals to members of the Greek Volunteer Guard after their "heroic" (quoting Greek media) exploits in Srebrenitsa, were they proudly flew their flag, after participating in Europe's worst massacre since the Second World War, when 7,000 men, women and children died.

[bg_turk]

BG_turk

bg_turk there is no evidence of massacres in kosovo in bosnia there was genocide on serbs as well as muslims it was a civil war

Serb paramilitary forces lining up Bosnian kids to be shot (all under 18)... is this a civil war?