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Postby cypezokyli » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:25 pm

you are right, greeks and gcs did support serbia.
i personally even organised concerts against the american attacks, and i still have hundreds of those "target" stickers.
but back then , i still believed that it can be only one sides fault. and in the cases of serbia , allow me to say , our serb friends committed also a number of crimes. and if you are not willing to admit that and ask for forgiveness this hate will continue existing over the balkan region like a diseace with no cure.

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as for tcs , no they are quite well off. if you ever come to cyprus we can go visit some. oyu may be surprised :wink:
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Postby bg_turk » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:38 pm

zdravo andreja, welcome.

You are trying to create parallels where there are none. Some differences between Cyprus and Kosovo are:

The Kosovo internvention was a mutlilateral and an international one. Virtully all NATO members (except Greece) participated. On the other hand the Cyprus intervention a unilateral one.

In Kosovo Albanians have been the majority for the past century at least, in Cyprus Turkish Cypriots are but a minority.


Andreja wrote:Greece and Cyprus were with us when it was the hardest...thank them!!!!

You should be especially grateful to Cyprus for laundering Milosevic's millions stolen from the Serbian people.

Turks wont leave just like that.They clamed it and now they want Turkey have whole Cyprus.

And where do you base this claim that Turkey wants the whole of Cyprus?
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Postby bg_turk » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:52 pm

cypezokyli wrote:
i personally even organised concerts against the american attacks, and i still have hundreds of those "target" stickers.

With a media like this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/GWeekly/Letter_From/0,4008,295931,00.html

who wouldnt be against?
The majority of Greece's 9 million citizens are angry. Their anger is reflected in the country's nightly talk shows and the earnest snatches of conversation overheard on the streets of Athens. They are aghast at the war in Kosovo, at the wasteful loss of life in Yugoslavia, at the murderous actions of Nato.

Their horror springs not simply from the fact that the conflict is occurring on their doorstep, against a fellow Orthodox people, but because they have been misinformed. Their indignation is justified, for there has been little mention of the term "ethnic cleansing". Without a motive for the bombings, the consensus is that the United States is trying to rearrange the region's borders, enforcing and abusing its role as the world's policeman.

Propaganda is, after all, used to great effect by all governments. In Greece the media are overwhelmingly pro-Serb. Newsreels show daily pictures of the havoc wreaked by Nato missiles on innocent Yugoslav civilians, with the reporter occasionally breaking down in tears faced with such wanton destruction and "murder".

When ethnic Albanians are shown, it is invariably in the grim context of refugee camps that the Nato allies have failed to set up or run properly. Disinformation suggests that the 1.5 million Kosovars have fled from "American and Nato" aggression, not from Serbian atrocities.

Talk shows are usually biased, pitting obscure scientists and politicians against flamboyant, popular and often outspoken singers and actors, who invariably denounce the US. It has been conveniently forgotten that Greece, as a member of Nato, joined the other 18 alliance members in agreeing to the bombings. The consensus is that Costas Simitis's government was pressured into doing so.

The Greeks like to think that they have a history of siding with the weak. Greece's loud denunciations of Turkish occupation in Cyprus is well known, as is its support for Abdullah Ocalan and the Kurdish struggle. The question most asked on talk shows and on the streets is: if the US purports to altruistically support the abused, then why was help not extended to the Greek Cypriots and the Kurds?

The popular belief that the US has ulterior motives for helping the "Albanians" may well be justified, but maybe the Greeks should reappraise the real motives governing their own sympathies. Perhaps they side with the Kurds not because of their weakness, but because they have always fought Greece's archenemy, Turkey. After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Whereas Nato describes Slobodan Milosevic as an "ethnic serial murderer", the media here paint the alliance in less than glowing terms. There is undisguised concern that the conflict could spread across the border and bring the war into Greece itself. So far the only invasion of Greece is from the plume of toxins released from the explosions in Belgrade.

Other allegations accuse the US of manufacturing bombs with recycled uranium, which is released when the projectiles detonate. The European press has been decidedly cagey about the matter, but not so the Greek media.

Makis Triandafilopoulos, in particular, the host of Zungla (Jungle) and Kitrinos Typos (Tabloid Press), has been uncovering and following many leads. His late-night talk shows often include impassioned pleas from Serbian authors, poets and popular athletes, who view Greece as a second home, and the programmes always feature sensational revelations. Disclosures have included the claim that 80,000 US soldiers who fought in the Gulf war are languishing in army hospitals, suffering from radiation-related illnesses, brought on by the uranium in the missiles.

Triandafilopoulos and the rest of the Greek media seem able to report in depth on Nato's blunders and barbarity, and to uncover and denounce shady US designs on the Balkans. However, their ingenuity and perseverance have so far failed to bring to light evidence of ethnic cleansing, detention camps, rape, pillage, murder and forced evictions.

In a moment of argumentative desperation one talk show host exclaimed: "If ethnic cleansing is being practised, why don't we have evidence, why don't we have tapes?"

It is a question that I, and doubtless many of Greece's citizens, would like to have answered.

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Postby GreekCypriotGurl_UK » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:56 pm

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In Kosovo Albanians have been the majority for the past century at least, in Cyprus Turkish Cypriots are but a minority.



where'nt Greek Cypriots the Majority in Cyprus when Turkey invaded and did its ethnic cleansing and murders ?

also the thing with kosovo it was historicaly it was part of serbia just like North Cyprus is historicaly Greek so kosovo is also under illegal occupation by the UN and albanians KLA just like North Cyprus is Occupied by turkey Greece knew that and thats why they Supported Serbia
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Postby Sotos » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:03 am

The Greek media were pro Serb and the UK-US media pro NATO. I think is not right to present Guardian as an objective source in this issue. Some americans still believe that Iraq had nuclear weapons and was going to attack them :roll: Why NATO didn't intervene in Cyprus or Rwanda to stop ethnic cleansings? :evil: Did NATO bomb Croatia? Did they bomb the Albanian terrorists that killed serbs? I don't think!
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:03 am

GreekCypriotGurl_UK wrote:bg Turk

In Kosovo Albanians have been the majority for the past century at least, in Cyprus Turkish Cypriots are but a minority.


where'nt Greek Cypriots the Majority

Isn't this what I exactly said?

also the thing with kosovo it was historicaly it was part of serbia just like North Cyprus is historicaly Greek so kosovo is also under illegal occupation by the UN

:lol: Show me one single UN resolution condemning the "illegal occupation" of Kosovo

and albanians KLA just like North Cyprus is Occupied by turkey Greece knew that and thats why they Supported Serbia


Greece supported Serbia because of their shared anti-muslim paranoia and hatred
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:06 am

but you have to accept that this attitude did change...albeit kind of late :wink:
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:12 am

even though, bg_turk, i met here german soldiers who have served in kosovo the last couple of years. somehow they also got shocked that the story was not extaclty the same as they received it from their media. :wink:
actually after serving in kosovo, some became increasingly pro-serb...
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:32 am

cypezokyli wrote:even though, bg_turk, i met here german soldiers who have served in kosovo the last couple of years. somehow they also got shocked that the story was not extaclty the same as they received it from their media. :wink:
actually after serving in kosovo, some became increasingly pro-serb...


I am aware of the crimes comitted by the albanians too. The incident about the vandalising and destruction of a Serbian church is true.

But the Serbian reaction to that was equally shocking and actually misguided. They burnt a centuries old Turkish mosque, which had nothing to do with the albanians.
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