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[cypezokyli]

The removal of the 1960 treaty of guaranties ( The rest of the 1960 agreement is now defunct )
The incorporation of International gurantees led by America , Britain , The UN and Europe .Most definately not guarantees by Turkey that it will adhere to agreements signed, you must see the concerns of the majority and support must be forthcoming in addressing these valid concerns....continue ... Pressed the wrong key.
The people of Cyprus have suffered a great deal over the years . To force a solution that the majority are inclined to reject in the short term would not be conducive to long term stability believe the main issue here is SECURITY.
Find an acceptable solution to this very real issue and I believe the rest will fall in line , the property issue can be addressed .I posted earlier the ridiculous situation regarding Road ownership , and though I haven't posted as yet , the issue of freedom of movement by all Cypriots in all of Cyprus. The recognition by CYPRIOTS THAT WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT NATION AND NOT AN EXTENSION OF EITHER TURKEY OT GREECE.
Turkey must play a large role in addressing the real concerns of the majority of Cypriots. Equals politically YES, but the majority is still the majority , and this majority will have to be made to feel secure without the tread of further violence and wars.

so...when you meant guarantees, u didnot mean UN guarantees but the old ones...
the guarantor powers of turkey are indeed a problem bc they cause a security feeling for tcs and an insecurity feeling for gcs. both have good reasons to feel like that.
the question , is how to strike a deal.
how do you propose to solve the security question from the tc perspective miltiades ? there is a fear , real or constructed , serious or rediculous, it doesnt matter , it is there. how do you plan to convince the tcs to sign a deal that will satisfy their security concerns ? it is easy to say that we change a deal that we sign in the past , but you need to tell us how the security concerns of tcs are dealt with. do you think that bc some of us decided to promote cypriotism can solve a security dilemma stuck in peoples head?


my opnion on the guarantees , as i expressed it before :
it doesnt really matter if they are there oor not. if we decide to hurt the tcs , turkey will attack whether they have intervention rights or not. do you honestly think that in the case that we decide to ethnically cleanse the tcs turkey will be hindered from the fact that it doesnot have intervening rights?

in short it depends on us to a great extent if turkey intervenes or not.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas analysis is full of crap and I don’t have any mood to answer. About the settlers 70 000 were living and as long time is passing this will be worst. And the properties issue was balanced and we will not ever be able to establish a better agreement since the ECHR kicked us and since they’ve start this building orgasm. Morhou for example was in the returned areas under GC authority and now they start to building there.

Full of crap is the nonesese you chew and spit every day in the forum! You have no mood to answer because you have no basis and no arguments to confront it with, and becasue you know I have all the evidence to substantiate what I am talking about, to the last iota of it! You have no clue of what you are taking about, and yet you speak with the outmost arrogancy about everything.

[Socrates]

We speaking about sell out you have shit us with lies and you except me to take you serious?

But I’ll answer you because you are obviously a super Greek patriot.

About the 29% I’ve answered before the TC was treaded unfairly and they was and they are poorest by the plan we was having ownership of the 30% of that 29% and we have even the possibility to purchase even more percentage. This is not a sell out in any way is a balance solution.

About the properties and the refuges 90 000 were going back under GC authority and at least 60 000 was have the right to go back under TC authority. This is not sell out this is a balance solution and is the first time in history that a war winner was giving back ground.

You have said what all the settlers were going back. 70 000 was living and only 45 000 was staying because of logical arguments. This number will never be available again because the mixing of population will legalize more settlers.

You have said nothing but craps man.

Is their any other issue?

[Kifeas]

Turkey had the right to interfere at 63 and the international community didn’t let them even with the agreement of 60 alone we was secured. At 74 we’ve invite them to come after we’ve totally destroyed the constitution. If we are so stupid and do that again then they have the right to interfere again.

Is it so? They had the right to intevine? Just like that! Is this what international law and the UN Charter talk about? And even if they had the right to intervine, (which they did not have becasue only the UN security council has the right to authorise any military intervention into a UN member country, regardless of any other treaties,) for which reason they were supposed to intervine? And who has invited them to intervine in 74, how and for what purpose? You know something, you are fucked up!

And who is the "we" in the "we've totally distroyed the constitution?" We the Greek Cypriots? You call the coup engeenered by the CIA motivated Junta, as an expression of the will and desire of the GC community? Idiot!

[Socrates]

Some is fucked up for sure and this is obviusly you.

Makarios from his speech on UN said what this invasion of Greece in Cyprus is not only affecting the GC but affecting the TC also and guarantee powers must put an end in that invasion.

The invasion was legal.

About the 63 is exactly what I’ve said what the 60 agreement was secure.

[Kifeas]

We speaking about sell out you have shit us with lies and you except me to take you serious?

But I’ll answer you because you are obviously a super Greek patriot.

About the 29% I’ve answered before the TC was treaded unfairly and they was and they are poorest by the plan we was having ownership of the 30% of that 29% and we have even the possibility to purchase even more percentage. This is not a sell out in any way is a balance solution.

About the properties and the refuges 90 000 were going back under GC authority and at least 60 000 was have the right to go back under TC authority. This is not sell out this is a balance solution and is the first time in history that a war winner was giving back ground.

You have said what all the settlers were going back. 70 000 was living and only 45 000 was staying because of logical arguments. This number will never be available again because the mixing of population will legalize more settlers.

You have said nothing but craps man.

Is their any other issue?

Which one is the lie I have said re achriste? Tell me what is the lie I have said? I ask you, assuming you was originating from the north part (a refugee) would have ever returned in the north with all your full rights? Would you have been able to call that 29% part of Cyprus, as part of your country, while been a GC at the same time?
Would you have been regarded as a normal citizen of that state with your Greek Cypriot identity? Would you have been able to excersise your political rights there? You think so! You would have been regarded at best like the kurds in Turkey are been regarded and treated, and at worst like a foreigner in your own country.

Read under what constitution of that part of your country you would have been required to live under! Read to open up your eyes! read every single article, right from the begining, and then tell me if it wasn't a sell out!

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[Kifeas]

Some is fucked up for sure and this is obviusly you.

Makarios from his speech on UN said what this invasion of Greece in Cyprus is not only affecting the GC but affecting the TC also and guarantee powers must put an end in that invasion.

The invasion was legal.

About the 63 is exactly what I’ve said what the 60 agreement was secure.

If the invasion was legal re zoppovorte, then the UN charter is illegal, null and void! The two together cannot be possible! Either the one or the other!

[Socrates]

The invasion was legal by the constitution the illegal side was the Greek one.

You have mixed your mind with craps.

[Kifeas]

The invasion was legal by the constitution the illegal side was the Greek one.

You have mixed your mind with craps.

No Zoppovorte, the invasion was not legal by any constitution! You have no clue about international law! The treaty of guarantee is subject to the UN charter! The UN charter is the preceding legal basis, above any other side agreements or treaties! The UN charter is regarded as the ultimate of international law, and any treaty contravening with it, takes second part and is subjected to the charter! Cyprus, as an independed and sovereign member country of the UN, and Turkey as the same one, have a duty to follow and not violate the Charter of the UN, which specifies that no country member of the organization has the right to unilaterally intervene into another member country, without prior approval by the security council! Learn about international law, before you talk! You talk nonsense!

[Socrates]

The constitution was having the following conditions:

The tree powers (G T UK) must agreed to make any interfere on the constitution

And the following with the statement of Makarios about the Greek invasion was legalizing the Turkish invasion:

If one of the three guarantees powers act with out the agreement of the other 2 parts then they guarantee powers can act by their own will.


When Makarios speak about a Greek invasion practically was legalizing the Turks to invade.

You are the zoppovortos and toppouzokipreos ante sixtir go to sleep.