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[Agios Amvrosios]

There are millions of conspiracy theories about the Cyprus problem and I thought it would be helpful to set up a topic to separate the sheep from the goats.

I think that a solution must be buit on trust and acceptance of the past by all Cypriots and colonialists/imperialists.

If you think you have evidence which is either supportive or despelling please post it here.

Below are just some of the theories I've heard:

1. The division of Cyprus into two parts i.e. the current status quo was a planned strategic policy which goes back to the 1950's;

2. Alot of the missing or mass graves can't be found because they were last seen alive in Turkey;

3. The Annan plan was design to be rejected;

4. The Cyprus Mail should be printed on 3 ply premium paper and is the mouth piece of U know who.

5. The so called "akritas plan"- some Turks claim it calls for genocide- I've read seceral versions on the net all I could find was that it called for the protection of the Turkish Minority in Cyprus if there is any Bifo during changes to the constitution and whatever else . Maybe I'm reading the wrong version.

6. Who emptied the Armery just before the invasion. I've been told that soldiers found that many weapons were missing during the invasion. Many people believe that right wing Greeks took all the weapons to allow the planned division to be easier.

7. Did Turkey get the Go ahead to invade and then divide?

8. Turkey is to be used as a trojan horse to destroy the EU.OR

10. Turkey will never be allowed into the EU even if there is a fair solution to the Cyprus problem;

11. One of the Universaities in the Occupied areas attended by british and americans is a secret base;

12. THe S-300 missles are not in Crete at all but really in Cyprus;

[NeverSayGoodbye]

1) Yes Maps have been found showing Cyprus divided in 2 in the 50's
2)Prisoners of war that came back from Turkey left behind others that were still alive.
3)Not sure on that one,maybe they thought DYSI would still been in power.
6)Many soldiers were ordered not to fight,and many weapons were missing.
7)Yes turkey did get the green light to invade by U.S.A & Britain.
True America needs more alies in EU.Although Turkey might turn her back to U.S and become truly european.
10)If Turkey enters they will have a big say on the future of europe this clearly worries most europeans even if cyprus is out of the equation.
11)They must have something there not sure although .
12)And not only

[Piratis]

1. The division of Cyprus into two parts i.e. the current status quo was a planned strategic policy which goes back to the 1950's;

Yes. However the division of Cypriots among Turkish Cypriots (Muslims with more rights) and Greek Cypriots (Christians with less rights) had started and was enforced for 300 years by the Ottomans. This division continued by the British and it was exploited at the right time to serve the interests of some outsiders.

2. Alot of the missing or mass graves can't be found because they were last seen alive in Turkey;

I don't think that those that didn't return from the Turkish jails are still alive. Probably they were murdered a few days/weeks after the invasion.

3. The Annan plan was design to be rejected;

It was designed so the powerful (US,UK,Turkey) would win regardless of the result. They would never leave their interests on the hands of Cypriots.

4. The Cyprus Mail should be printed on 3 ply premium paper and is the mouth piece of U know who.

My personal opinion is that they are funded from abroad and they do not serve the interests of the Cypriot people.

5. The so called "akritas plan"- some Turks claim it calls for genocide- I've read seceral versions on the net all I could find was that it called for the protection of the Turkish Minority in Cyprus if there is any Bifo during changes to the constitution and whatever else . Maybe I'm reading the wrong version.

Turkey exaggerated (as with everything else) a document in an attempt to excuse the inexcusable.

6. Who emptied the Armery just before the invasion. I've been told that soldiers found that many weapons were missing during the invasion. Many people believe that right wing Greeks took all the weapons to allow the planned division to be easier.

I don't know about this event. However their is speculation that some people in the illegal Greek junta had agreed for "double enosis".

7. Did Turkey get the Go ahead to invade and then divide?

Kissinger probably had given this go ahead to Turkey. Turkey would never dare to go against the wishes of the USA.

8. Turkey is to be used as a trojan horse to destroy the EU.

The Americans want Turkey in EU to make sure that Turkey stays on their side and that they will now have 2 big countries (along with UK) to control EU.

10. Turkey will never be allowed into the EU even if there is a fair solution to the Cyprus problem;

I wouldn't say "never" but definitely not in the next few decades. If Turkey and EU continue to exist in 20-30-40 years then maybe it will happen.

11. One of the Universaities in the Occupied areas attended by british and americans is a secret base;

Never heard of this. Your source?

[Agios Amvrosios]

Never heard of this. Your source?

My mother's first cousin is in the US navy and she told my relatives. I don't know I think it might be just a conspiracy theory. This aunty also believes that the moon landing was a fake and has alot of books and videoson UFOs so she is pretty Kooky. She also said the American Archbishop works for the CIA. (she is probably the least reliable source of info you could get)

[stuballstu]

I have heard a few but one which seems to re-surface is that the USA and Britain did not want any possbility of Cyprus falling into Russian hands and becoming the "Cuba" of the Med. It makes a little sense as publicly they both want Turkish troops out of Cyprus hence all the UN declarations however privately it is unlikely that Turkey would be in Cyprus against the USA's will. It saved them picking up the tab. Its probably just as well the American troops didnt come as there would be more dead, refugees than there already are.

Agios rather interesting that you posted about not believing man landed on the moon, we had dinner with some friends last night, the father of one of our friends was there and he is a retired photographer. He was mentioning the pic of Neil Armstrong stepping onto the moon and went into great details of how no camera film ever invented could have taken photos on the moon. To cut a long story short, he want to say that the temperature on the moon varies from -215 Celcius to +300 Celcius on the side the sun is shining on. Not only did he say that a camera or its film could take such a picture he said that no person or equipment could survive such dramatic temperature changes as well as going on about how the shadows differed etc etc. Different subject for a different forum though maybe your mothers first cousin aint as "Kooky" as you might think. Although i dont think that there is any secret American or British bases disguised as a University.

[andri_cy]

Maybe there isnt any american bases now but I do believe part of why Cyprus is occupied is because Makarios said no to the Americans when they asked permission to have bases in Cyprus. Going back to the Whole "cuba" theory I think the Americans might have probed Turkey a little bit to invade, because they control Turkey and that way they control the North. Thats why they didnt intervene to "save" us. Of course one could say that we should have seen it coming and Makarios should have said yes, but who knows.

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1)
Yes - Division of Cyprus proposal in the event of inter communal strife 1953/54 by US Secretary of State Dean Acheson. In reality strife fermented by ? in order to stop Cyprus joining the Soviet bloc in the event of British pull out. It was Churchills clear statement to the US after the British intervention against the communists in Greece that Britain no longer had the will or could afford to be the worlds policeman that set off US re-thinking on Cyprus and other colonies, prior to this the US had taken an anti colonial stance. Add to this the growing if grudging acknowledgement by Washington since the 1930's that Britain and its Empire was Americas first line of defence and it can be clearly seen that the US needed to back fill any strategic holes left by a shrinking British Empire.
Extreme right wing governments in Southern Europe Turkey and the Middle East Africa South America Indo China and Asia received US support.
Nationalist wars fought against colonial rulers perceived by the US as being weak in the face of communist insurgencies were encouraged not in so much as to obtain freedom/statehood but to stop the furtherence of communism.
Against this should be set the very real and clear objective of the Soviet Union, that is/was world domination.

6)
Yes - Medium to heavy artillery withdrawn from strategic positions for 'planned' maintenance.

7)
Yes - Implementation of the Acheson plan.

8)
Yes/No - Possibly, but more likely that Turkey with its growing population would provide the labour and the cannon fodder for an increasingly low birth rate/ageing EU population. By the time EU citizens work out whats happened its to late and Turkey with its european satellites nominally known as the EU becomes a superpower.

10)
Yes - No solution = No membership. Whats perceived to be fair by one group will not be seen as such by the other, thus the Cyprus situation continues to be the perfect foil to Turkish EU membership application. In other words the EU can tell Turkey to get lost without saying so.
Turkish pride remains intact, after all they continue to occupy N. Cyprus. EU rejection encourages the growth of Turkish Islamist parties and the government and people turn further away from the EU ideal making Turkey more and more unpredictable. The UK pushes its European partners harder to accept Turkish membership while all the time knowing that its support for Turkish entry is a 'red rag to a bull' amongst the rest of Europe. So whats been acheived, on the face of it nothing much but look a little closer and you might start to see the formulation of a master plan for the region which includes holding down a vast Russian military presence and the denial of investment/export potential/political influence to the Chinese.

Machiavellian! yes but conspiracies only acheive the required result by acting out the unthinkable.

11)
Yes - Guy I met in the pub the other night told me that his neighbours cousin had it on good account from a friend that a University research facility in the occupied area investigated all UFO sightings Alien and Paranormal activity on the planet. Senior governmental military religious and business delegates from around the world regulary attend briefings there and are co-ordinating multi national action to save themselves but not the rest of us in the event of an Alien invasion!

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10)
Yes - No solution = No membership. Whats perceived to be fair by one group will not be seen as such by the other, thus the Cyprus situation continues to be the perfect foil to Turkish EU membership application. In other words the EU can tell Turkey to get lost without saying so.
Turkish pride remains intact, after all they continue to occupy N. Cyprus. EU rejection encourages the growth of Turkish Islamist parties and the government and people turn further away from the EU ideal making Turkey more and more unpredictable. The UK pushes its European partners harder to accept Turkish membership while all the time knowing that its support for Turkish entry is a 'red rag to a bull' amongst the rest of Europe. So whats been acheived, on the face of it nothing much but look a little closer and you might start to see the formulation of a master plan for the region which includes holding down a vast Russian military presence and the denial of investment/export potential/political influence to the Chinese.

Machiavellian! yes but conspiracies only acheive the required result by acting out the unthinkable

10) Addendum
Today - Turkey attends the Arab Summit in Cairo.
Invitation from Arab States to Turkey to attend this meeting for the first time is based on Turkey being regarded as the regional power that can counter Iran.

With new found friends amongst its former Ottoman empire Turkey may decide that EU admission is no longer worth its while, leaving any hope of a Cyprus settlement pre requirement to EU admission high and dry.
Europe's happy because the Turks are not coming. Russia's happy the EU will not be at its back door. China gets what it wants because of regional stability. US and UK are happy as they backed Turkish EU membership to the hilt regardless and still have a strong ally in the best possible strategic position protecting the oil fields.

Seems to me that there's again only one loser in this game, guess I dont have to spell out which country that is!

[Piratis]

Today - Turkey attends the Arab Summit in Cairo.
Invitation from Arab States to Turkey to attend this meeting for the first time is based on Turkey being regarded as the regional power that can counter Iran.

With new found friends amongst its former Ottoman empire Turkey may decide that EU admission is no longer worth its while, leaving any hope of a Cyprus settlement pre requirement to EU admission high and dry.
Europe's happy because the Turks are not coming. Russia's happy the EU will not be at its back door. China gets what it wants because of regional stability. US and UK are happy as they backed Turkish EU membership to the hilt regardless and still have a strong ally in the best possible strategic position protecting the oil fields.

Seems to me that there's again only one loser in this game, guess I dont have to spell out which country that is!

As I said many times, the turn of turkey into Islam will be the beginning of her end. This is why UK and USA want to have Turkey in Europe.
Do not forget that there are many anti-American, and anti-Europeans in Tukrey and we have all seen how Islamist fundamentalism can turn this dislike/hate into something much worst.

Cyprus alone can not push Turkey away from EU. But in the event that this happens for other reasons and Turkey turns towards Islam then the balance of power will change.
The first new thing in our area will be a new oil rich, USA friendly country called Kurdistan.

[MR-from-NG]

Wishful thinking Piratis. You think Turkish statesmen are a bunch of idiots?

Turkey has some of the brightest and knowledgeable advisers that will run rings round most world class politicians. Balance of power will always be in Turkeys favour.