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[Sotos]

According to Phileleftheros the government agreed that TCs could trade from the Famagusta port if some requirements are met including the return of Varosia to RoC. This will happen in the next few months. What do you think?

[Greek goddess]

difficult to believe.
is a big step
The port was Famagusta’s heart
I personally believe in a clean cut solution
A mosaic of I own this part and you own that part will never work

[Piratis]

Personally I believe the lifting of the "embargo" should be done only if Turkey returns a bigger part of land to RoC.

Also the trade should be monitored by an independent TC association and not by the pseudo "trnc" "government".

[tcklim]

Famagusta should be a joint-governed, intercommunal area.....

[Agios Amvrosios]

I'm undecided. Maybe it is an opportunity to try to build trust and cooperation between the Turkish Cypriots and all non Turkish Cypriots. On the other hand it may cement the fate of refugees from other occupied areas if the situation does not advance to complete unity and cooperation.

[tcklim]

That's a risk we face both ways, cementing the islands division I believe is a higher risk given our current course of inaction....

I've always been of the opinion that the prevailing mentality that i can observe over here on the South, for a sudden solution whereby everyone is suddenly intermingled altogether, will inevitably fail. A solution to the Cyprus Problem, given the distrust (not necessarily in this forum, but in reality lets face it), has to be EVENTUAL, with trust-building initiatives and intercommunal events that will gradually, through defined steps, lead to a sustainable solution.

The sudden eradication of borders and everyone going back to where they were before 1974 is lunacy (1) because lets face it, the majority of Greek Cypriot's who were displaced are either too old to move back, or too young to have any incentive at all to move back... thus, making htem more likely to opt for compensation and (2) there is enough ... erm... "racial problems" and distrust on the South without this sudden demographic change. Unfortunately, Turkish Cypriot's and Greek Cypriot's still dont, for the most part, consider themselves just C's (i.e. Cypriots, pure and simple).

Which leads me to the point I wished to make in the first place, I believe a good initiative would be at some point, for the Famagusta area to be a joint-governed intercommunal area. The port could be used to service the whole island, Both communities could live there. A "test" if you wish....... or something of the sort. Build trust, build a solution.... step by step?

[andri_cy]

Of course its not going to work if we just up and decide one day to take all cypriots and throw them all together in the same room. We need time to build bridges and trust, but I am sure that in the long run it can be done.

[Agios Amvrosios]

I've thought about it some more. No Fuggin Way Habib

The Turkish Army is obligated under United Nations resolutions and to withdrawal all illegal troops immediately(32 years ago;) ).

The ethnically cleansed state faces legal embargoes against it while the illegal status quo of ethnic cleansing is maintained.

We are agains asked to agree to accept something which based on a war crime and illegal while Turkey is merely asked to comply with UN resolutions or something they are obligated to do.

What is this crap about "joint administration of ports" that these war criminals are trying to ask for?

They must be elected into the Cypriot Government if they want to administer and govern .

[Piratis]

because lets face it, the majority of Greek Cypriot's who were displaced are either too old to move back, or too young to have any incentive at all to move back... thus, making htem more likely to opt for compensation

This is your own conclusion. In one united Cyprus many (maybe most) Greek Cypriots refugees would return to their properties. However all GC refugees would much prefer to be given back the properties that were stolen from them rather than be given some kind of compensation. Especially if this compensation was of the Annan plan kind were GCs would basically have to compensate themselves!

there is enough ... erm... "racial problems" and distrust on the South without this sudden demographic change.

In the occupied Cyprus 200.000 people were denied ALL their rights because of their race and they were ethnically cleansed. Even today they are denied their human right to return to their own homes because of their race, and you talk about "racial problems" in the "south"???

A solution to the Cyprus Problem, given the distrust (not necessarily in this forum, but in reality lets face it), has to be EVENTUAL, with trust-building initiatives and intercommunal events that will gradually, through defined steps, lead to a sustainable solution.

I agree 100% with you that the final solution can not be implemented within a day. This is something everyone understands. Transitional periods are needed that will lead step by step to the final solution.

However for this to happen we first have to agree on what the final solution should be like and define the steps that will gradually lead to it.

We first have to know where we are going before we start making steps towards this aim. Otherwise these steps can lead us to places we never wanted to go, e.g. recognition of the pseudo state of "trnc". As you understand we would never make any steps in that direction.

Which leads me to the point I wished to make in the first place, I believe a good initiative would be at some point, for the Famagusta area to be a joint-governed intercommunal area. The port could be used to service the whole island, Both communities could live there. A "test" if you wish....... or something of the sort.

Your idea about Famagusta can be implemented in different ways. It can be implemented in a way that will indeed build trust and cooperation or it can be implemented in a way that will give validity to the pseudo state of "trnc". Unfortunately Erdogan, Talad etc seem to care much more about the second than the first. Therefore without having a common aim how can any steps be taken?

However if Turkey agreed that the final solution should be one united Cyprus were the human and democratic rights of everybody are respected without racist discriminations, then Famagusta could be used as a step to this direction.

[StuartN]

However if Turkey agreed that the final solution should be one united Cyprus were the human and democratic rights of everybody are respected without racist discriminations

And that goes for the GC's aswell I take it?.........