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[MR-from-NG]

I totally disagree with your analysis of the sittuation. If you think by becoming an EU member you overnight change from uncivilised to civilised you are very much mistaken. What you are saying is you put a racing saddle on a donkey an the donkey becomes a race horse.

growuptc, you know damn well a Greek is no different to a Turk. We have so much in common, if you deny this you are lying to us and to yourself. So we are as uncivilised or as civilised as you guys are, no more or no less.

[stuballstu]

I would blame Turkey if laws were civilized there. In sure enough time I hope Turkey does gets in the EU because if they do, that would mean we would all be civilized by then. Till then, we have to act irrational to keep the game even. It's human nature of balance, that we act on. Turkeys ways of balancing things in Cyprus is to ethnically cleanse GC's land.

Those in glass houses should not throw stones Growuptcs. Cyprus may be more civilised than Turkey, dont you think that it is due to the huge British influence on the island? Turkey has made major changes economically and socially in the past 10 years and it still has a long way to go before it becomes European however do the policeman still beat up handcuffed kids there in the middle of the street. Cyprus is not a perfectly civilised nation either, far from it. Where in the world can you get stopped by the police in your car and they ask your name, yours families name and what their occupation is before they will decide if and what punishment you will receive? Civilised? Maybe not so much as you think, it depends on what you use as a barometer.

Turkeys human rights record is shocking there is no defence of this, however it has to be acknowledged that they are making changes for the better - Rome wasnt built in a day.

[growuptcs]

Yes mrfromng, a Greek is no different than a Turk.Thats not our difference to our discussion, what I'm saying is, is that we are civilized or we wouldn't be in the EU. We just have no choice but to stoop to your ways of playing this Cyprus game. In other countries they call what your doing to us, racketeering.

[MR-from-NG]

As Stuballstu says you should be thankful to the British influence on the island. We as Cypriots see ourselves different to mainland Turks on this subject too. But as Stuballstu put it Turkey has taken huge steps in the right direction to improve things. And don't forget Rome wasn't built in a day.

[andri_cy]

Lysi,

What you have to understand is that the unscrupulous estate agents and developers in the North are telling these people that what they are buying is on exchanged land and that it is all above board. I think we should give the Brits the benefit of the doubt and look on them as innocent victims.

Ok so maybe the estate agents are being deceptive but dont you think that the buyers should do some more research on what they are buying? I know I would. When I bought my house in the USA, I had an independent agency run down the title and give me title insurance so if someone claimed that it was theirs, I didnt lose my money, plus I was covered by the fact that I had made an effort to make sure I am buying what I was told I was. The buyers are foreigners not stupid... But thats just my 2 cents.

[Agios Amvrosios]

I totally disagree with your analysis of the sittuation. If you think by becoming an EU member you overnight change from uncivilised to civilised you are very much mistaken

Very few Countries were given overnight accession into the EU. Cyprus had to implement decades of reforms to accede for example.Uniform Human Rights & legislative regimes are a key component and one of the first factors which must be implemented by EU candidate countries. Cyprus for example had to implement human rights for sodomites so they bugger each other in peace.

Obviously candidates which most other EU nations actually want to join will do so easily- like all the former Eastern bloc countires.

Turkey has little real chance regardless. I've read that some EU nations would prefera country like Ulraine or even Russia to join over Turkey.

[lysi]

mrfromng, i do blame the useless crap president of cyprus and his weak government for the lack of progress in finding a settlement, but the turks dont want to hand back what they have stolen, they are making too much money at the moment from stolen property, turkish heroin, casinos and hookers .

[MR-from-NG]

Lysi,

I cant disagree with you there. We have unscrupulus developers, we have pimps that sell women in clubs and we have people poisoning our kids with the deadly drug heroin. I am also very much against the casinos and would love to see them close all tomorrow.

As for your president and the land issue. I know the political climate in the North, you must believe me when I tell you that it would take just one meeting between Papa and Talat. One bloody meeting in which Papa will ask Talat to stop all developments on GC land and I guarantee it will stop.

This is exactly the reason I do not understand how the majority of GC's can be happy with the way Papa is handling the Cyprus issue. Would it kill your president to have a meeting with Talat? As much as I agree with your comments about the greedy developers not wanting to return your land back to you I must say you have to wonder what Papa is gaining in not pushing for a quick settlement.

Every day that goes by will mean there will be less land for you to come back to.

[iwonder]

In Cyprus mail today there was a small note from Tharros that refugees from the north have built homes on Turkish Cypriot land on the greek part of the island. Land that does not belong to the state or to greeks.
In the wake of the oram's case, does that mean that these people now have to return the land in the original state, compensate the originals owners.....and can the legal owners of the land ask for compensation?

I just wonder

[retired2northcyprus]

I totally disagree with your analysis of the sittuation. If you think by becoming an EU member you overnight change from uncivilised to civilised you are very much mistaken. What you are saying is you put a racing saddle on a donkey an the donkey becomes a race horse.

growuptc, you know damn well a Greek is no different to a Turk. We have so much in common, if you deny this you are lying to us and to yourself. So we are as uncivilised or as civilised as you guys are, no more or no less.

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