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[nhowarth]

Hi growuptcs

> Blair is just an outside force looking to help Brit property owners keep what they purchased illegally.

I've been led to believe that that is a load of rubbish. What Cherie Blair is actually doing is advising the Orams on how to seek justice from the TCs who perpetrated the fraud of selling them GC owned property illegally.

I was hoping Kifeas would reply as he appears to have a good appreciation of the legal situation and arguements.

Regards,

[Kifeas]

Hi growuptcs

> Blair is just an outside force looking to help Brit property owners keep what they purchased illegally.

I've been led to believe that that is a load of rubbish. What Cherie Blair is actually doing is advising the Orams on how to seek justice from the TCs who perpetrated the fraud of selling them GC owned property illegally.

I was hoping Kifeas would reply as he appears to have a good appreciation of the legal situation and arguements.

Regards,

As far as I know, (and I have this information from the Apostolides side,) Cherie Blair (her law firm) was hired by Orams in order to defend them in their claim that the British High Court should not adopt the RoC Court ruling and /or assume its execution against Orams in the UK -against their UK assets, on grounds that a.) Orams acted in good faith and without knowing the fact that the property did not legally belong to the person that sold it to her (!) and b.) that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the occupied north, in view of the anomalous situation that exists with that part of the territory of the EU due to the Turkish occupation and the non solution of the political problem.

This is the only job that Blair's office is doing, and I am not aware if they are simultaneously taking any other parallel actions towards other directions. I somehow doubt that there is such a case.

[nhowarth]

Thanks Kifeas,

I don't know how the Orams could possibly claim that they acted in good faith. The British press have carried warnings about buying property in the occupied areas for several years and there have been a number of TV programmes about the issue. Unless they had a habit of walking around with their eyes and ears closed, they must have known what they were doing - no-one is stupid enough to spend thousands of pounds without doing a bit of research.

Regards,

[bones]

growuptcs accepted. There are alot of opinions regarding the situation with Blair and the Orams, Oram should not have bought and i for one think they were either extremely naive or very stupid if they try to persuade any court they were not aware of the situation. As for Blair she should stand down and have nothing to do with the case, womans got no scruples atall, could say alot more but dont want to be hauled up for slander.

[rotate]

bones, I guess i categorize every Brit who lives in Cyprus as a thief. But if you live in S.Cyprus, I stereotyped you the wrong way, I apoligize. It's nice to know that there are some Brits who aren't vultures. Practically everyone in N.Cyprus are vultures or condone their acts no matter what religion they are. I can imagine how many convicts live a free life in the north, and everyone is still moaning how bad the GCs are.
Outside Cyprus, anywhere in the world, no one has problems with GCs or TCs, but in our own country, we cant wait to bash each other. Laws have to be respected though which is the only reason why this problem cant move on.

"growuptcs", I'm also a Brit living within the RoC and like "bones" I deplore whats happening to GC owned property in N. Cyprus.
Married to a Cypriot I lived happily in Ammochostos until 1974, little need for me to elaborate further!
If Cherie Booth QC (Cherie Blair) seeks justice for those UK citizens caught up in the Cyprus property debacle she could have been better advised to start off with those who were driven from their properties in 74 instead of the land grabbers who have profited from someone elses misery since that time.
Neither Cherie or her husbands advisors have proved to be the most reliable or honest in the past so the Orams villa may be a villa too far for Cherie who if there is any such a thing as natural justice can hopefully kiss goodbye the opportunity of an overpaid Judges job for lack of common sense or more importantly decency.
I'll not complain about being tarred with the same brush as my compatriots as I'll gladly stand or fall by how I live my life which does not include stealing somebody elses property!
With "bones" and me on side all that remains to be done is to convince the other 60 odd million Brits that 'something is still very wrong on Aphrodites Isle'.

[Kifeas]

bones, I guess i categorize every Brit who lives in Cyprus as a thief. But if you live in S.Cyprus, I stereotyped you the wrong way, I apoligize. It's nice to know that there are some Brits who aren't vultures. Practically everyone in N.Cyprus are vultures or condone their acts no matter what religion they are. I can imagine how many convicts live a free life in the north, and everyone is still moaning how bad the GCs are.
Outside Cyprus, anywhere in the world, no one has problems with GCs or TCs, but in our own country, we cant wait to bash each other. Laws have to be respected though which is the only reason why this problem cant move on.

"growuptcs", I'm also a Brit living within the RoC and like "bones" I deplore whats happening to GC owned property in N. Cyprus.
Married to a Cypriot I lived happily in Ammochostos until 1974, little need for me to elaborate further!
If Cherie Booth QC (Cherie Blair) seeks justice for those UK citizens caught up in the Cyprus property debacle she could have been better advised to start off with those who were driven from their properties in 74 instead of the land grabbers who have profited from someone elses misery since that time.
Neither Cherie or her husbands advisors have proved to be the most reliable or honest in the past so the Orams villa may be a villa too far for Cherie who if there is any such a thing as natural justice can hopefully kiss goodbye the opportunity of an overpaid Judges job for lack of common sense or more importantly decency.
I'll not complain about being tarred with the same brush as my compatriots as I'll gladly stand or fall by how I live my life which does not include stealing somebody elses property!
With "bones" and me on side all that remains to be done is to convince the other 60 odd million Brits that 'something is still very wrong on Aphrodites Isle'.

Rotate, no G/C in his right sense has ever claimed or implied anything like that, i.e. of equalising or equating all British people with those few thousands that have chosen to do what they did in the north, in relation to the stolen G/C properties. This would have been an outrageous claim that could only come out of extremely low IQ people.

[andri_cy]

There are just some bad apples amongst British people but isnt that true of all nationalities?

[Agios Amvrosios]

Rotate, no G/C in his right sense has ever claimed or implied anything like that, i.e. of equalising or equating all British people with those few thousands that have chosen to do what they did in the north, in relation to the stolen G/C properties. This would have been an outrageous claim that could only come out of extremely low IQ people.

I think that some full hardy Greek Cypriots do this and its damaging to us.

[growuptcs]

All nationalities have their greedy people that are willing to break humane rules to catch a break I guess, when it comes to selling or purchasing anything. Just like gun dealers and drug dealers. Difference to why our problem is sickening is because after the the gun or drug deal, the dealers dont have to see, hear or deal with the people they sold it to.
While the purchasers to GC homes are willing to go even a step further by even telling GC's that they lost "the war", or it's theirs now and deal with it.
The British who are the majority of the purchasers of GC titled land, should we vote to take their assets today and not allow them to live with them till this gets settled in court? Let's pass that bill.

[andri_cy]

We keep saying the british this the british that. Maybe we need to look at it in a new perspective. Out of all the brits that visit our beautiful island, what is the percentage of them that when they buy land they buy it illegally. Then we need to check the same statistics for other nationalities. I am sure that as a percentage out of all foreign buyers brits are bigger but if you look at it nation to nation then what? I am not condoning whats being done I am as mad as the next person, but some of us keep talking like all brits are dirt and thats not fair. Yes some of them buy land illegally. And some GC's go to the north to play in the casinos and give money to the occupiers. They are doing something wrong too. Maybe morally it is even worse in my book. But anyway, thats just my opinion. I am sure a lot of brits are doing the wrong thing but we need to keep in mind that a lot of them are on our side and if we keep labelling them we are in the end hurting ourselves.