Dont you see? You say that Turkey was looking for excuses to invade Cyprus, maybe they were but guess what GC's and Greece gave them the excuse when the decided that they wanted Cyprus to be part of Greece.
Who gave them the excuse was the CIA sponsored illegal Junta of Athens along with the help of EOKA-B a terrorist organization that fought against our democratically elected president and tried to kill him. Those generals were jailed for their crimes. I have never supported their illegal actions.
So yes, there was an excuse, but thats about it, an excuse.
If it was OK to invade sovereign countries whenever a coup happened it them then Turkey should have been invaded and partitioned several times already.
What historical facts have you got about the numbers of TC's being killed, there is still many missing persons on both sides as well as the already accounted for dead. Are you saying that there are no more than 100's of TC's missing/presumed dead. I know there are many GC's missing also presumed dead, maybe you could give me ideas of numbers as you seem to know them when referring to TC's.
Nobody knows the exact numbers. However the victims from both sides during the intercomunal conflict were some 100s. TCs add to this number their casualties that happened
after the 1974 Turkish invasion had started, by some GCs seeking revenge for the invasion. (e.g. The Tochni massacre were 84 TCs were killed on August 14, 1974 in tochni village). But of course during the invasion the GC casualties were several 1000s, not 100s.
is just wanting enosis a crime?
No but trying to implemement it is.
I agree that
after 1960 trying to implement enosis was illegal. But as I told you already this was done by a small minority of GCs that belonged to EOKA-B. In 1974 Enosis was
not supported by the great majority of GCs neither from our government. Here is part of Makarios speech after the coup on 19/7/1974:
What has been happening in Cyprus since last Monday morning is a real tragedy. The military regime of Greece has callously violated the independence of Cyprus. Without trace of respect for the democratic rights of the Cypriot people, without trace of respect for the independence and Sovereignty of the Republic of CYPRUS, the Greek junta has extended its dictatorship to Cyprus. It is indeed a fact that for some time now the intention was becoming obvious. The people of Cyprus had for a long time feeling that a coup by the Greek junta was brewing, and this feeling became more intense during the recent weeks when the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B', directed from Athens, had renewed its wave of violence. I knew all along that the illegal organisation had its roots and supply resources in Athens.So because one foreign country along with some traitors violated our sovereignty this means that another foreign country has the right to use that excused to keep violating our sovereignty 32 years after that excuse has expired?
I have NEVER said that GC's are evil. GC's and TC's committed crimes against each other, however GC's quest for Enosis along with Greek backing makes the situation evil.
So you clearly put the blame only on Greece, GCs, and not on the Turkish side who has committed 100 times more and worst crimes over much longer periods of time.
Not everyone will get there land back. Financial compensation or land in exchange is going to be the fairest. To be fair not everyone wants their land back either.
Nobody can force people to give up their properties. It is not only fair, but their basic human right that they receive their land back. You might disagree, but the European Court of Human Rights agrees with what I say here.
If somebody
chooses compensation/exchange then fine. But you can not force anybody to do so.
As you are always throwing numbers about can you answer me a few questions.
What percentage of land was owned by TC's pre 1974?
What percentage of land was owned by GC's pre 1974?
What percentage of land was foreign owned pre 1974?
What percentage was owned by the government pre 1974?
See my previews post for an answer.
Time for a challenge. Go back and quote me a post when i have said that TMT were not so bad.
You said: "Are you serious? This is not the first time that you have made reference to TMT and as usual go on about the Ottomans. Whilst both TMT and EOKA committed crimes against humanity you have to admit that EOKA backed by Greece did try to "ethnically cleanse" Cyprus of Turkish Cypriots on a large scale. "
So you got upset that I even made a reference to TMT while you always keep talking about EOKA. According to you TMT had just "committed crimes" while EOKA "tried to 'ethnically cleanse' Turkish Cypriots on a large scale." Anybody can see that for you TMT was not as bad as EOKA. Please don't try to deny it. The same goes for Greece and Turkey. You keep blaming Greece, while you excuse the crimes of Turkey.
No, were you? I had family who served in the British army during these times who witnessed the results of attrocities on both sides.
My family was always in Cyprus and they had experienced those and all the previews events as well.
Do you consider the British as an objective outside observer in Cyprus stuballstu? You know that this is not the case, and your sayings reflect this.
