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[Mills Chapman]

Come buy your t-shirts: Cypriot for-ni-reunifi-ca-tion

I bet these would sell quickly in Agia Nypa and in the British pubs of Limassol.

Or, "Cyprus Problem, think uneedavacation."



Not bad for 10 minutes of brainstorming, eh?

[Piratis]

Wellwe're getting clearer now.... where is my one-sided approach? I've stated time and time again for UNIFICATION, you have continuously stated that any form of partition justifies the Turkish occupation ad legitimizes human rights and bla bla.... but you are stating here that you actually support partition.

Where have I done so?
I never said I support partition. I said I accept (accept and support are different things by the way) a federal system since the TCs insist on it.
A true federal system (like it exists in USA for example) is not a partition. What I do not accept is partition or disguised partition. Annan plan was a disguised partition since it was based on the Swiss confederation (not federation) and it was made even much more weaker than that. An euphemism of the disguised partition is what Reuters used to call the Annan plan: "A proposal for a loose association between two mostly independent states".

Personally, I would like to see a return to the 1960's constituion without any territorial boundaries.

Me too. and in fact we even have the right to insist on this. However we are willing to make compromises in order to satisfy the demands of TCs (within the limits of human rights and democracy) as long as they are willing to do the same. Didn't you say before that we had to take into account the TC concerns? You changed your mind now?

Eventually, when the two people actually trust each other, we can unite the government and centralize the power more

What do you mean unite the government? It is not the government which is de facto partitioned but the state.

Measures WILL provide a solution in the long-run, yelling at the Turks and telling them to f'off hasn't seemed to work thus far, and well I'm sure it won't and could lead the island down a very dangerous path.

oI never said to anybody to "f'off". I am simply stating that our rights are violated and any future solution should restore the rights of all Cypriots. Whats wrong with that?

How about the joint governance of Famagusta (as has been proposed) for a start, that would be a MAJOR advance i think.

Joint governance how? Under the agreements of RoC. (e.g. a GC president, a TC vice president etc)? By a GC/TC committee under the UN?
You have to be more specific.

Yes, 1960 Constitution seems ok but we saw that its not functional.You tried to change it because it didn't satisfied you.Also in six subjects problems occured between Tcs and Gcs.These raised the tension and at the end 21 December 1963 guns exploded.Now you say 1960 Constitution is Ok for me it may be Ok but is it functional too? Past events showed that its not !

I do not reject the idea of modifying the RoC constidution to be made more functional. What I reject is the attitude of some that GCs should be blackmailed with partition in order to accept something that will be much worst for them than the 1960 agreements.
The constidution can be modified without blackmails in a way that it will be "win-win" for both communities.

So tcklim, should according to you the aim for the final solution be the return to the 1960 agreements?

This is not a solution but its coming to an agreement about returning to 1960 Constitutional structure.After that point i don't beleive you will sit to discuss anything with us.You will say "Well,we made a solution so no need to discuss.When we'll say "Let's discuss" you will say "Discuss what?"...

Peace, above you said that GCs didn't like the 1960 constidution. So now why you try to present it as the ideal constidution for GCs that they will not want it to change?
Both Gcs and TCs want some changes to that constidution and as long as both sides are willing to compromise in an equal degree in order to gain in an equal degree then modifying RoC constidution is not something that will be rejected by any community.

Also returning back to 1960 Constitution is mostly impossible.You made many changes and agreements.Republic of Cyprus changed so much that can not be return to its old bi-communal structure.If we don't want any agreement that Republic Of Cyprus did while we are not included what will happen? We'll cancel all? If we want to veto some of the laws you accepted in 1963-... period where we are not included?

The constidution didn't change. It is the same 1960 constidution. Now about the agreements we can discuss them and find a compromise. Which agreements you do not like?

Are you beleiving that Turkey has economical power to pay all damages she caused and dou you beleive you have money to pay all damages you caused?

I believe that as long as people are allowed to return to their own properties that compensations for past damages can be given slowly slowly. There is no need to give everything upfront. I believe that both Turkey and RoC will be able to do so since both they will now have to spend less for army.

[Mills Chapman]

What, nobody liked my t-shirt idea? Where's the love???

In the first one, subtract "reunifi."

In the second one, think of "unification."