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[Rude Gal]

P, Cyprus is where it is and Taksim became a TC aspiration because of EOKA & its reign of terror against TCs - or will you deny this?

As for Turkey occupying, I reject this totally - Turkish Cypriots occupy their homeland and for me, Turkey's presence is for TC protection and they will leave when deal is done. Remember, we see plenty help from Turkey, which is more than can be said for GCs who only act to marginalise/obstruct TCs.

When your people can see their role in Cyprus' current state of affairs (the consequences of actions launched on 1 April 1955), then things will change. But not until then..

[Piratis]

The "reign of terror" was mutual from both sides. Or you remember only EOKA and not TMT? If the British had allowed Cypriots to decide the destiny of their own homeland in a democratic way then no liberation war against them would be required.

As for Turkey occupying, I reject this totally - Turkish Cypriots occupy their homeland

Turkey is occupying 37% of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus. You can start rejecting totally that the sun exists, but that would not mean anything either.
The north part of Cyprus is the homeland of far greater number of Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots. The occupation of that part of Cyprus by Turkey and the ethnic cleansing of those people are all illegal either you like it or not.

When your people can see their role in Cyprus' current state of affairs (the consequences of actions launched on 1 April 1955), then things will change. But not until then..

What started in 1st April 1955 was a liberation war against the British colonialists. You choose to side with the colonialists. Should we have remained slaves because it suited you that way?

You excuse your insistence on illegality today based on what happened in 1955?? What about what was happening for 300 years until 1878? That doesn't suit you?

As I said in another thread what the Turks claim is that:

Everything before 1960 is too old, everything after 1974 is excused.
This means the 10s of thousands of people that the Turks have butchered and the 200.000 refugees and human rights violations against CGs that continue until today are either 1)too old or 2) excused.

So all we are left is the 1960-1974 period. Now take out from that period the crimes of TCs against GCs during the inter communal conflict.

Conclusion: The Turks are angels, the GCs are evils that deserve their human rights to be violated and their land stolen.

[andri_cy]

Hi Lysi

At very best (or worst) British people are buying stolen goods - it is just a transfer of land already stolen by others.

Actually receiving stolen goods is as bad as stealing them

[PEACE]

They are not stolen just for now you can't use them.After a solution you'll gain use of your properties or instead a just compensation.Head of TRNC may now saying that they gave TRNC title deeds but even they know its not valid.By accepting Annan Plan we accepted that we know who is the real owner.So what is this "stolen property" outcry?

[lysi]

Peace and rude gal, tell me why me and my familly are prevented by the turkish army from returning to our homes and land ? Then you expect greek cypriot refugees to stand by and say nothing when there land is sold off to greedy british people by estate agents based in britain. The purchase of stolen property in the occupied north is making it more harder to find a settlement, the turks are making lots of money from these greedy british people.

I see the mainland turkish police and army have started to shoot and kill kurdish children again, what do you think RUDE GAL ?

[Piratis]

PEACE, as I said before:

Most of the TCs that live in our homes accept that they do so temporarily until a solution is found. They were involved in the Cyprus problem either they like it or not and they didn't came to Cyprus to take advantage of our refugees.

So this thread is not for these TCs. This thread is for those that "sell" the GC properties and for those foreigners that "buy" them.

[Rude Gal]

What started in 1st April 1955 was a liberation war against the British colonialists. You choose to side with the colonialists. Should we have remained slaves because it suited you that way?

Let me tell you P, that EOKA murdered many members of my family. My mother was 13 years old when she saw the body of her uncle, Abdullah Cavus, murdered in cold blood in Paphos in 1955 by EOKA in the name of "liberation". He didn't get a choice about siding with/not siding with anyone. Just shot down cos he had a police uniform on. TMT came as a form of defence to this terror, formed a full year after this. But here we go again, GCs twisting history so they can show their actions OK.

Keep going P - every TC now tuning into how GCs think & I can tell you the overall sentiment is NOTHING has changed with GCs, hence why many TCs now moving towards realisation that partition is much better than unification because of the crap we read & experience daily (more can be said but this is not the right thread).

As for properties, it is sheer hypocrisy to talk about stolen land. Larnaca & Paphos airports are on Turkish land, many other buildings used too, and many TCs went over to find they don't even have anything left. I have a friend whose entire village of Vroisha (in foothills of Troodos) was forced out in 1964 (yes, a full 10 years before Turkey came) and their village razed to ground The entire village is taking GCs to court - good! The world is now waking up to see 2 sets of victims and for TCs, that suffering started back in 1955 because some callous people thought it OK to butcher others for their aspirations).

No concern about all this P. Svetlana, Andri Cy? Of course not, only your pain & issues count.

Honestly, why bother with the political side of this forum? You know the responses before we write them...

[lysi]

OK RUDE GAL, And several members of my familly were killed or are still missing because of your very brave turkish army, also the turkish cypriot police had a nasty habit of beating greek cypriots when cyprus was occupied by the british, its your turkish army of occupation that is still preventing thousands of greek cypriots from returning to there homes and land.
Also tell us if you agree with your brave turkish army shooting dead several kurdish kids in turkey this week ?

[Piratis]

Rude gal, It is unfortunate but true that the British in their divide and rule practices had used Turkish Cypriots as policemen to fight against the anti-colonialism war. The result was many victims from both sides.

Maybe EOKA members had also committed some crimes irrelevant to the cause of liberation and those crimes are 100% condemned.

However the TMT that you defend was create with the sole purpose of committing crimes against Greek Cypriots. So why do you defend them?

About TCs "now" wanting partition, please stop giving me this crap. TCs had wanted partition since the 50s and since 1983 they have tried to legalize their pseudo state. Would you deny this?

I guess rude girl would also expect that after the 18% of TCs grabbed the 37% of land and the 82% of the population was forced in the 63% of land with 200.000 refugees that we should just have used the 82% of that remaining 63% (= 55%). Is that what you wanted Rude gal? To force the 82% of the population in the 55%, while the rest 45% would belong or controlled by TCs??

Yes, after the invasion we were forced to build for our refugees temporary housing, and after the Nicosia airport was forced to close due to the occupation we were forced to make new airports. If you didn't insist on the illegal occupation non of this would need to happen.

Honestly, why bother with the political side of this forum? You know the responses before we write them...

A good alternative: Get a computer program that will reply to everything that you type with "Yes, Rude Gal, you are right". Its very easy.

[Rude Gal]

OK RUDE GAL, And several members of my familly were killed or are still missing because of your very brave turkish army, also the turkish cypriot police had a nasty habit of beating greek cypriots when cyprus was occupied by the british, its your turkish army of occupation that is still preventing thousands of greek cypriots from returning to there homes and land.
Also tell us if you agree with your brave turkish army shooting dead several kurdish kids in turkey this week ?

There's good & bad in all, but I have yet to see evidence that TCs beat up GCs during colonial times (is this perhaps latest line of GC propaganda?)

As for who's preventing return of refugees, if you diagnose problem incorrectly you will be looking to wrong place for answers. It wasn't Turkey who created the Cyprus problem & the withdrawl of their troops won't end it. It's down to whether one set of people (GCs) can accept they have to share power with their former political partners (TCs). Unfortunately, in 2004, your people said no, which is why GC refugees can't go home. And don't be waiting for day all will return - it will never happen. It's sad that your Church & politicians have fed you this line for decades, but that sadly is the outcome of the badness that EOKA B and others have committed. GO to them with your frustrations, but do not keep trying to blame Turkey or embargo the lives of innocent TCs - they are not the root causes of this problem!

As for Kurds being killed (or innocent Turks - there was a bomb blast in Istanbul yesterday by terrorists), I condemn anyone who is killed in these ways. An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind! But lysi, don't look to politically profit from these details. It is sick! Sadly, far too many GCs have a pathological hatred for all things Turkish, but that is their problem, not mine.