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[tcklim]

tcklim, you keep contradicting yourself. First you say TCs were forced into enclaves and then you say "Yes i know they walked out". You say that you never supported the occupation of any part of Cyprus, yet your whole arguments show the exact opposite. You claim that you are not a racist supporting human rights violations, yet you do just that.

They walked out of the government... they never forced themselves into enclaves. Please learn how to read.

I support the right of refugees as much as possible to return to their properties. Yet I also understand the concern of the TC population. For a COMPLETE solution we must build trust, not just ask Turkey to leave cos it aint happening. It's not that difficult to understand.

I explained you how you are racist: You support the violations of the rights of Greek Cypriots simply because of the race they belong, and you support that Greek and Turkish Cypriots should be separated and discrimination should exist based on their race. On the other hand I say that the human rights of no Cypriot should be violated and that that all Cypriots should be equal citizens with equal rights.

See above.... the concerns of the TCs are that THEIRS will not be respected, not only yours.... which is all you care about.

recognition for the TRNC is on its way and nothing will stop it
There is no way that the ethnic cleansing that Turkey performed on our island will be legalized. Cyprus is our island and we never asked for any "trnc". And if we didn't ask for such thing nobody else has the right to force it on us.
Of course as I said earlier, and thanks for proving me right, in Cyprus some foreigners were always forcing their will against the will of Cypriots.

But we have every right to fight against such actions, and we will.

I beg to differ... the international community to a large extent has already signalled that they WILL indeed recognize the TRNC is the Papi doesnt act like a civilized person soon and stop contradicting himself.

Seriously man... stop being blinded by yourself and the propoganda you've been educated with since birth. Open your eyes a little. I am not a supporter of any of the things you accuse me of nor will I ever be.... but you infact are constantly trying to say you are not racist but are always spewing out hatred. It will NEVER lead to a solution.

I don't particularly care where bakala will be moving. I do not condone the purchase of illegal properties in the North and find that aspect in particular to be disturbing. But that is a different topic.

[Piratis]

April is 2 days from now. Therefore you should already know where in Cyprus you will move. From your sayings in other threads it was obvious that you would move into stolen Greek Cypriot property.

If this is not the case then why you don't answer directly: Is the title deed of the property you got owned by a Turkish Cypriot or foreigner since before 1974 when the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots and the land grab occurred? Yes or No?

[Piratis]

tcklim, what concerns of the TC population do you understand?

If I have a concern that your family is not nice one, do I have the right to go and kick them out of their house illegally and violate their human rights?

Concerns can not justify illegal actions and the violations of the human rights of others.

See above.... the concerns of the TCs are that THEIRS will not be respected, not only yours.... which is all you care about.

I support the 100% of the human, legal and democratic rights of all TCs. Tell me even one human right of TCs that we question? Their "right" to keep the properties they stole from us??

I beg to differ... the international community to a large extent has already signalled that they WILL indeed recognize the TRNC is the Papi doesnt act like a civilized person soon and stop contradicting himself.

Have you dreamed of that? Even the biggest supporters of Turkey said that they will not recognize the illegal "trnc", let alone the rest of the international community.

Seriously man... stop being blinded by yourself and the propoganda you've been educated with since birth. Open your eyes a little. I am not a supporter of any of the things you accuse me of nor will I ever be.... but you infact are constantly trying to say you are not racist but are always spewing out hatred. It will NEVER lead to a solution.

Demanding my human rights is racist according to you?? What is the "propaganda" that you are talking about? The fact that our refugees were forced out of their homes at gun point and they are not allowed to return? Thats propaganda? OK, lets go tell to our refugees to return to their homes tomorrow then. We were always allowed to do that but we were blinded. Thank you wise one for opening our eyes

The racist are those that illegally violate our human and legal rights because of the race we belong. You are a racist for supporting such illegal racist actions.

[Pyrpolizer]

Hi.
I will post soon.

[rolo]

Concerns can not justify illegal actions and the violations of the human rights of others.

Piratis this is a bit questionable. The french were conerned enough and had a revolution which gave them democracy and that revolution was illegal. The germans were concerned enough to hammer down a wall and have democracy and that was illegal.

The turkish cypriots also wanted to free themselves of the chains of a gc govt, and that was illegal.

in law if i try to kill you, you have a right to kill me to prevent me from killing you. In Cyprus this is what happened, and most people of the world now understand that.

self defence by an individual or group of people must be a cornerstone of any legal country. In the sixties The Greek Cypriot Government, Greece, Britain, USA, USSR, and The UN offered the tcs no defence and were prepared to allow the events of pre 74 to unfold. The only nation on earth able and willing to defend the tcs............. Turkey.

[Piratis]

Rolo, the examples that you give have nothing to do with Cyprus. The French with their revolution and the Germans with bringing down the wall did not violate the human rights of others but were in fact the expression of the free will of the majority of people against their oppressive undemocratic regimes.

In contrast, what happened in Cyprus is very similar to what the Nazis did by invading Czechoslovakia during world war 2. Here we have a foreign country that by using the pretext of supposedly protecting a minority, has invaded a sovereign country, ethnically cleansed the majority of the population and installed in the occupied areas a puppet government.

In fact the case of the Berlin is exactly the opposite than the case of Cyprus. In our case the Turks have build the wall splitting up the country. If the USSR had ethnically cleansed Germans from east Germany replacing them with Russians then the split of Germany and the split of Cyprus would be almost the same. (of course the Russians didn't go to the extent of ethnically cleansing 1/3rd of Germans like the Turks did in Cyprus.)

[bakala]

Rolo

look at the american delaration of independance

it says that a people who are under the thumb of a despotic goverment have the right and the DUTY to cast out that goverment and make a new one

thats what the TCs did in the north

Most of the world now sympathises with the North and recognition is around the corner

[bakala]

The TRNC are guilty of only one thing surviving oblivion at the hands of the pre 74 goverment
And because they survived they have suffered an Embargo for 32 years the longest in History instigated by the very people who sought to wipe them out

Turkey are guilty to, But only of saving the TCs from Annihilation and they have been vilified as Aggressors ever since.

So if anyone wants to talk about injustice hows that ?

Most of the world now admits what happend and that the People of the north Simply survived and the turks helped them

[Piratis]

it says that a people who are under the thumb of a despotic goverment have the right and the DUTY to cast out that goverment and make a new one

thats what the TCs did in the north

Nop, they did exactly the opposite.

They have ethnically cleansed the majority of the population from their own homes and have installed a pseudo government on stolen land against the will of the majority.

Stop trying to justify the acts of ethnic cleansing and human rights violations.

Most of the world now sympathises with the North and recognition is around the corner

Oh really, how much "around the corner". Would you dare to give a date by wich the pseudo state of "trnc" build on stolen ethnically cleansed land will be recognized? I bet you don't have the guts to say such a date because you know yourself that it will not happen.

[bakala]

No piratis thats exactly what they did
What Greece and the Greek Cypriots did pre 74 was WRONG.

So the TCs under the protection of the Turks made their own Government in the north,
Funnily enough EXACTLY like the USA did a couple of hundred years earlier
they cast off an oppresive and despotic goverment ( English ) and made a new one on the canadian Border oddly enough in the north

then they liberated the whole of North america by kicking out the english
unlike the greeks who are scared to death of fighting the turks
Turkish Cypriots armed with Pitchforks yes. regular turkish troops no.

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