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[Pyrpolizer]

of course you havent looked at a map recently.

Yes in fact I havent looked at maps of your age recently.

Certainly Cyprus has some value in the overall picture regarding the control of the Suez Canal (not more value than Syria btw which is controlled by the Russians, or Lebanon or Egypt or Israel or so many other countries in the region.

The problem here is not really the value of Cyprus in that, but the way you try to draw conclussions out of nowhere. Herebelow I am just copying your message, to point how misleadingly you try to built up your argumentation. One false assumption after another and in the end a totally unrelated and unsupported conclussion. Look:

The island of Cyprus has a strategic value, when the Suez canal was built it became even more of a strategic asset as its location virtually controls the western approach to the canal.

Control of the island is more important to Greece than to turkey because turkey has a certain amount of control of Suez because of its southern coast proximity to the canal.
Greece on the other hand has virtually no strategic control without Cyprus because its 500 miles further away.

This is your first wrong assumption. The importance of Cyprus for the Canal is limited as I explained before. Look at old and new maps. Furthermore in reality Cyprus importance to Greece was a) to expand b) suround Turkey and for Turkey a) To expand in the sea b) To protect her southern shores from been surrounded by Greece. The Canal was the last parameter EVER in the concerns of those 2 Countries.

Outside Greece and Turkey the rest of the world would rather have the island divided than either Turkey or Greece having total control.

Second wrong assumption. An officially recognised divided island would mean both Greece and Turkey would have TOTAL control of a part of the island. The Americans said that multiple times: "they will never accept an officially divided island.

An independent Cypriot EEC member island with a NATO member having friendly bases there would be acceptable. but its unobtainable while the ethnic divisions remain.

First of all stop saying EEC. (You are not 30 years old anymore when it was called European Economic Community) . As you said you are 57 so today its name is EU=European Union
Anyway now Cyprus is a member of the EU, simply the Aquis is not applied in the occupied areas. Furthermore the British Bases do serve NATO as well as they could ever possibly do. Lets continue to see how you jump from one incoherence to another and where would that lead us.

The best option for Europe would be a federation of Turkish and Greek states ruling the island with both being part of the EEC, that way the EEC would have in effect some control of the island and the approaches to the canal

Ooohhh, to the control of the Canal again. As if there are no active British Bases here, as if the Americans cannot use them anytime they like as if the British bases do not store high range missiles and nukes, as if Cyprus is the altimate controller of the Canal, forgetting the so many countries around it etc etc. And as if the EU is a military power by itself already…

Without doubt the Turks now perceive that they hold the strongest cards in the deck. World opinion sees that every effort to reunite the island has met opposition.
Once the TRNC is recognised Turkey will begin a phased withdrawal of its forces.

And after all this incoherence the final conclussion (and wishful thinking) of Mr Bakala "recognise the pseudo"!!!!

Well done Bakala!

PS. 1) You are very verbal my friend. But in my opinion you cannot put your thoughts in order, you are confusing to yourself, you confuse others, and you try to pass completely ungrounded conclussions. If you do this on purpose then I congratulate you because you are a master of some type of propaganda. Of course there is a possibility you do not do it on purpose. It might have more to do with age and some deceases that come with it.
2) I believe you have lived in the occupied areas for a looong time. I dont believe you are simply coming in Cyprus just to see the place and decide where to retire.

[Pyrpolizer]

Once again I have to take your post line by line, phrase by phrase, because there is absolutely nothing of what you say that can stand more than half the truth, at the maximum!

The status of the island now is divided unless anyone disagrees

Half the truth. The division is artificial and is sustained using a puppet regime with monetary injections, (packages from Turkey) and heavy Military presence. Remove those 2 factors and Cyprus will be re-united immediately.

Trying to push two reluctant and ethnically different people together, is like putting a leopard in the same cage as a tiger

The GCs and Tcs are very similar in hundreds of ways and they lived together for centuries, revolted together against the Ottoman Pashas, went on strikes together as simple workers in the mines during the British era.. The vast majority of them are looking forward to a solution in which they will live together, yes. So your assumption is wrong.

There was trouble last time (1960) and there would be trouble again.

Whatever you say. The French and Germans had troubles before, they will have troubles again…

The ROC is tied to Greece it doesn’t matter how you argue any other way, Enosis has already happened unofficially, Greece nods its head and an ROC election candidate campaigns for government among other candidates that have also had the nod of approval, Greece pulls the strings of government in the ROC now, more than it ever did before.

Your personal opinion of course. Too far away from the truth. To see how wrong you are I remind you that Greece said YES to the Anan Plan.

The people of the TRNC don’t trust the Greeks, for some reason I can’t comprehend, they don’t see them like I do, all warm and cuddly.

First of all what do you mean "people of the trnc" and "Greeks" Are you trying to impose new terms here? The truth is the TCs are not sure whether to trust the GCs because of the events of the 60s. In any case they are willing to try and built trust together with the GCs in a United Cyprus. For your information the TCs dont trust Turkey to unite with either, and thats definite. And there is nothing they are willing to try with Turkey that would make them trust it. If they are ever forced to unite with Turkey they will all pack and abandon the place.

The people of the TRNC will never accept a government dominated by Greece that’s an option that’s not even for consideration.
Greece sees enosis for the whole island and nothing less will do. They have enosi’fied half of it and want the other half.

The TCs will accept a Government in which the GCs will be the majority, but they want to be secured and run their internal bussiness by themselves.They do accept a Federation. This "government dominated by Greece" notion is just another nonsense of yours based on your previous false assumption as ALWAYS.

Unification will come one day in the future but only when the leopard has lost its spots and the tiger its stripes, trouble is one guy keeps painting new spots and another new stripes. Those are the guys in power who don’t want peace. it might cost them a bit of their power.

Your message was always clear Bakala. What you are trying desparate to say to everybody is to give up. I tell you one thing. If the blacks have given up, they would still be slave animals in the US. If the Americans have given up they would still kneel to your highness the Queen. If the French have given up all Europe would still be in Feudal age. So no, we will never give up, nothing is finished, and one day we will finish it fully in compliance with our rights. Either you like it or not.
In case we prove very weak and very few to succeed, then rest assured your turn will come next. Have you ever thought of a NewIndia or NewPakistan inside your previously called "United Kingdom"? Not to mention the Scotian Republic and some other ready to surface republics in there.

Anyway, enough, I am really tired trying to follow your nonsense. Everything you write is just the same…

[andri_cy]

Andri

Some good, reasoned points. There is no doubt that there is some foreign owners of ex GC lands in the north with TRNC deeds however why is it when someone says that the own a house in the North that most GC's assume that it is a GC refugee's land? There is plenty of Turkish title houses and land for sale, a little more expensive, however still cheaper than the south side of the green line.

As i have said repeatedly the longer it takes for a solutions the less likely refugees will have of returning. There is very little chance of any settlement making provision for knocking down housing developments on a GC refugees land. The longer it takes the more houses get built.

I know that a lot of people probably do buy land with proper titles and a lot dont. The people who paid the extra money and bought land with proper titles should have nothing to fear of. The others I dont know but surely they just cant keep the properties and go on with their lives. But I dont know whats gonna happen and I cant pretend to know.