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[Piratis]

who will be first to recognise the TRNC ?

USA was the first to recognise isreal in 48, id put my money on the USA personally

Good choice. But it will not happen.

[bakala]

Piratis

there is no point you discussing anything with me mate you cant win and you know it
you keep dredging up the same old arguments that dont hold water in todays world

look at today, look outside your own little world and see the way society is moving, look forward not back. realise that money talks louder than morals,

power and politics are different words for the same thing,

Moral rights and wrongs get waved like a flag or trodden underfoot depending on who has the big stick, and who wants what, and where

you dream of Utopia i think about reality.

you cant see anything other than a bit of an old map where you or someone you know had a little bit of land. i cant help but look at the map of Europe.sitting on the doorstep of the middle east.

in the greater scheme of things your little lland problem is insignificant. and i am not rying to take the piss, any man deprived of his ancestral land without reason is a crime against humanity,
the reality is that you were not to blame for the loss of land , Neither were the turks.

The greeks who tried to take over the whole island and lost your land as spoils of a war, the greeks started and lost, Have a lot to answer for though.


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[andri_cy]

Piratis

there is no point you discussing anything with me mate you cant win and you know it
you keep dredging up the same old arguments that dont hold water in todays world

Some of the people on this forum really need to stop recycling...
You accuse Piratis of doing so, but I see the same from you... Thats why there will never be a solution.

[Rude Gal]

Some of the people on this forum really need to stop recycling...You accuse Piratis of doing so, but I see the same from you... Thats why there will never be a solution.

Yo Andri-cy! Da man Bakala only been online with Forum since March 06. Piratis, he been here since 2004!!! So I say it's a bit rich to accuse B as being same as P, given P's been recycling for 2 years plus? Whatever superbrand of Duracell battery P is on, da man still ain't cracked, but we have - ye get me!!!!!

Now don't be getting all upset cos I responded to one of your comments

[bakala]

Hope you dont mind me recycling this one Just to remind evryone why we are here. Notice i wrote it so the characters are not Greek or Turkish , but could be either. that was the hardest bit.


Within the burning village an orphan child just sits
Crying for a mother, last night blown to bits
The mother rags and shredded meat, silently stares back
Her now dead eyes unseeing, stare at her house burned black

Her husband in the rubble beneath a caved in wall
Blasted by the screaming shells that from the sky did fall
A cratered village silent no sound of moving feet
Littered with the bodies whose hearts have ceased to beat

Advancing through the village a single soldier creeps
Rifle at the ready around each corner peeps
On his back a radio gives one more command
Orders from an officer, to far away to understand

Kill them all and clean the village, do it now I say
Yes sir says the soldier, all your orders i obey
Advancing now the soldier, looking left and right
Trying not to break the silence, Grips his rifle tight,

A noise he hears from up ahead, the crouching soldier run
The darkness of a Cyprus night, retreating, from the sun
On a bed of broken bricks a bleeding child now lies
Whimpering and staring with tear stained cheeks. and eyes

Reporting on the radio that a child remains, not dead
The crackling radio voice came back, with the order the soldier dread
Kill them all and clean the village, do it now i say
Make a choice, be Greek or Turk, or traitor end the day

The child now sees the soldier, and on baby legs does crawl
Towards the soldiers booted feet, the soldier standing tall
Kill them all and clean the village, the radio voice did shout
The child climbed on the soldier’s leg and with baby hand reached out

The soldier coked his rifle a new bullet now he breached
At his leg a tottering child, a baby hand did reach
In baby distressed language neither English Greek or Turk
The universal baby cries, to end the fear and hurt

The soldier shoots the bullet, now almost in a dream
In the smouldering shattered village, a child lets out a scream
The echo of the final shot returns from hills on by
The soldier now stands naked, clenched fists raging at the sky


Im neither Greek nor Turkish, and a Cypriot man ill be
An ending to this murder, I will work my life to see.
He kicked the new shot radio across the cratered sand
With bloodshot eyes he looked around, the ruined village land

And from his naked Cypriot Arms came tiny fingertips
Reaching up towards the Cypriots gently smiling lips
The tear and bloodstained baby safe, now smiles in new warm bliss
A new day dawns, a new Cyprus born,
with a tender Cypriot kiss


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[bakala]

By the way Andri
where did i recycle ?

i have endless arguments for peace, been at it for 40 years, dont often need to repeat myself too much unless i am talking to someone really dim.


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[Kifeas]

By the way Andri
where did i recycle ?

i have endless arguments for peace, been at it for 40 years, dont often need to repeat myself too much unless i am talking to someone really dim.


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A person subscribing and regurgitating the cheapest possible propaganda of one side in a conflict and utilising the most cynical and thuggish arguments in order to justify the unjustifiable and the illegal, cannot possibly ever claim to be having any peace arguments to offer at the same time.

With cynical arguments and cheap propaganda like yours, you end up doing more harm to those you wish to defend, than any good.

[theresa]

Bakala that was one beautiful poem....................

Thank you
Tess

[bakala]

Kifeas

I strongly believe that neither the Turkish nor Greek Cypriots were responsible for the events from 1960 to 1974. There were a few misguided people from both sides. And some what I can only describe as terrorists stirring the pot.
The prime movers were the men in power. For their own personal gain and power they set two otherwise peaceful ethnic groups at each others throats,

They directed operations far away from the dangers of the conflict they set in motion. They fuelled the fire and set up incidents to keep it burning. They played international chess with the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots as the pawns,
The game went on for all those years with each prime mover only keeping a body count of his own pawns to use as leverage for international support.

They ignored the body count of the opposition as irrelevant. Only using it as a measure of their own success. A farmer killed, his home burned, his wife raped were just statistics, and an incentive for revenge attacks.

A Greek Cypriot opposed to the killing, hides or gives refuge to his Turkish Cypriot neighbour, and is shot as a traitor for an act of kindness that is inherent in his character,
Basic Humanity turned into a traitorous act, capital punishment inflicted without trial or appeal, Thugs and murderers legitimised, Murder torture rape and arson considered a patriotic act by both sides, Urged on to outdo the latest outrage of the enemy.

The men responsible for these crimes are unique in the criminal world, unlike the normal criminal who hides out, these men sit on pedestals in full view of us all wearing the camouflage of peacemakers in public. while in reality they are mass murders.

I don’t condone either Greek or Turkish Cypriot or blame either because I know they were both victims. Today’s extremists could be tomorrows mass murderers that is something both sides should be aware of,

While you blame each other for the past atrocities the men who are really guilty sit in their mansions within a cocoon of power you provide for them, you will never win the real war for peace, because you don’t know who the real enemy is.




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[bakala]

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i soon move to cyprus to live. i have said enough on this board to be arrested and imprisoned by the police of either side. i have been the victim of personal threats in private messages, the latest from piratis who said

I know who you are
and
I will be waiting when you come to Cyprus

ive dealt with extremists for 40 years, they are all the same cowards at heart.

Run away Piratis
i am your worst nightmare i cant be blackmailed i wont be threatend and you cannot scare me into silence



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