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[bakala]

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When I discussed the question with our UN ambassador, Adlai Stevenson, he responded with far more heat than I had expected. During the "troubles" he had stayed for three days in Archbishop Makarios's residence and he regarded his former host with total contempt. The Archbishop was, he said, a wicked, unreliable conniver who concealed his venality under the sanctimonious vestments of a religious leader; the only way to deal with Makarios, Stevenson assured me, was by "giving the old bastard absolute hell." In all the years I had known Adlai I had never heard him speak of anyone with such vitriol. "I have sat across the table from that pious looking replica of Jesus Christ," he said, "and if you saw him with his beard shaved and a push-cart, you would recall the old saying that there hasn't been an honest thief since Barabbas."

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Ball%20-%2064.htm


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[Piratis]

The land issue will be settled like all minor issues with money, people’s greed can always be relied on to settle minor affairs, in the context of European and world politics the Cyprus land issue is small potatoes, that’s reality

So bakala, you came here crying for days about some 100s of TCs that got killed during the intrcommunal conflict yet the suffering of Greek Cypriots, the thousands of our dead and the 200.000 of our refugees are just "minor issues" for you.

Just this shows how racist and anti Greek Cypriot your are. No need to say more.

[bakala]

I refute completely that i am either racist or aniti greek
i am however anti goverment especialy when that goverment gets the ordinary guys at each others throats for their own political ambitions
thats what makarios did
the greek cypriots problems are not minor issues to me. but they are as far as the rest of europe and the rest of the world are concerned

[Piratis]

I refute completely that i am either racist or aniti greek

Your one sided posts and the Turkish propaganda that you fully adopted and distribute tell a different story.

the greek cypriots problems are not minor issues to me. but they are as far as the rest of europe and the rest of the world are concerned

So? This can be said for all problems. If the human rights of some people in the UK are violated does this mean it is OK to violate their human rights because the rest of the world couldn't care less about them?

We have every right to fight for our human rights and we will continue to do so.

[bakala]

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Piratis

What you seek a united Cyprus has been tried and failed at the cost of hundreds if not thousands of dead Cypriots, Greek and Turkish. Any government trying to represent Turkish and Greek Cypriots is doomed to failure because of the refusal on both parties to forgo their Greek ness or Turkish ness for just being Cypriots.
After the 1960 1974 events you are not going to get a second chance at enosis for the whole island

At present the Turkish Cypriots have no government representation in the ROC, this is being recognised in Europe and is unacceptable by any European standards

Cyprus is heading for a federal partnership whether you like it or not, in fact it is a reality now, the final act to make it official is recognition of the TRNC,
This push for recognition is gaining support all over Europe; it has gained a new impetus because of the ROC opposition to the UN Plan

What you want mate, is a democratic government that dominates the Turkish Cypriots. Would you accept a democratic government if the Greek Cypriots were a minority?
I doubt it very much.

Your whole philosophy on the Cyprus problem is driven by the land issue and your personal gain or loss, You wear the cloak of a fighter for democracy and human rights but under the cloak a uniform of a nationalist extremist , anyone opposing your views is accused of crimes against Humanity, being crooks, or openly supporting an illegal regime,

Your political views are limited to slices of history that suit your extreme view, you cant get away from the past, That’s why you will never be able to contribute to a solution for the future, Its extremists that continue to divide people and resist solutions. The future solution will come from a more tolerant people, a group that would never accept you as a member.

Give me one single reason why the TRNC shouldn’t be recognised as an independent republic with its own Government whose independence is guaranteed by the only people it can trust Turkey. Try and tell me without resorting to your old worn out quotes about past crimes ect.

The land in the north at present belongs to the TRNC that’s reality, today’s reality the future for Cyprus is pretty predictable, the fact that it isn’t acceptable to a few lone extremist’s wont alter its course,

In the future a multicultural society will develop as more and more Europeans arrive to live and invest on the island, as the Cypriots absorb the cultures of the European migrants arriving the differences between the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots will fade into history, Cyprus will be united one day inside a Future greater Europe . but unfortunately it will be generations into the future.

In the meantime i will settle for the Cypriots and the Cyprus of Today,

On both sides of the Border i found a generous and hospitable people, happy kind and considerate and so easy to live with,

Such a pity they don’t practice it on each other



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[Piratis]

What you seek a united Cyprus has been tried and failed at the cost of hundreds if not thousands of dead Cypriots, Greek and Turkish. Any government trying to represent Turkish and Greek Cypriots is doomed to failure because of the refusal on both parties to forgo their Greek ness or Turkish ness for just being Cypriots.
After the 1960 1974 events you are not going to get a second chance at enosis for the whole island

What was tried was the British made constidution that was forced on Cypriots. A normal European constidution like the one in any of the other 24 EU countries would not fail.
Yes, some 100s of GCs and TCs had died in the inter communal conflict. Does this justify ethnic cleansing of the majority of people from their land?

If it does, then lets tell to the 200.000 of GCs that live in London to start a conflict with the English, then Greek Cypriots would deserve a big part of London as their own, right?

At present the Turkish Cypriots have no government representation in the ROC, this is being recognised in Europe and is unacceptable by any European standards

We demanded that they end the illegal occupation and come back to Republic of Cyprus. They refuse. So blame them, not us for this.

Cyprus is heading for a federal partnership whether you like it or not, in fact it is a reality now, the final act to make it official is recognition of the TRNC,
This push for recognition is gaining support all over Europe; it has gained a new impetus because of the ROC opposition to the UN Plan

You seen this in your dream. "trnc" will never be recognized by EU.

What you want mate, is a democratic government that dominates the Turkish Cypriots. Would you accept a democratic government if the Greek Cypriots were a minority?
I doubt it very much.

So the GC minority in UK should start a revolution then.

Your whole philosophy on the Cyprus problem is driven by the land issue and your personal gain or loss, You wear the cloak of a fighter for democracy and human rights but under the cloak a uniform of a nationalist extremist , anyone opposing your views is accused of crimes against Humanity, being crooks, or openly supporting an illegal regime,

I have no personal gain or loss. I am a fighter for democracy of human rights. You are a criminal supporting human rights violations and illegalities.

Give me one single reason why the TRNC shouldn’t be recognised as an independent republic with its own Government whose independence is guaranteed by the only people it can trust Turkey. Try and tell me without resorting to your old worn out quotes about past crimes ect.

The whole island of Cyprus is part of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus. Part of RoC is illegally occupied by Turkey. They can name they puppet government whatever they want, it would not change a thing.
you can not create a state in the 21st century by ethnically cleansing the majority of the original population and replacing them with foreign settlers.

[bakala]

your words not mine

you can not create a state in the 21st century by ethnically cleansing the majority of the original population and replacing them with foreign settlers.

thats exactly what the USA did
ever hear of the Red Indians ?

[bakala]

Piratis your words not mine

We demanded that they end the illegal occupation and come back to Republic of Cyprus. They refuse. So blame them, not us for this.

you think they will live under the Goverment of the ROC after the events of 60 / 74, why should they give the people who so obviously hate them a second chance to annihalate them ?

better to sit tight and wait for recognition and independance, its on its way,
who will be first to recognise the TRNC ?

USA was the first to recognise isreal in 48, id put my money on the USA personally

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[Piratis]

your words not mine

you can not create a state in the 21st century by ethnically cleansing the majority of the original population and replacing them with foreign settlers.

thats exactly what the USA did
ever hear of the Red Indians ?

USA was not created in the 21st century. Many examples similar to the US existed several centuries ago. After 2 World Wars and people like Hitler who had similar ideas like yours, the world had decided on things like international law, human rights, respect of the sovereignty of independent countries etc.

Now if you don't like those things and you prefer the rule of jungle instead, then fine. But what is the point of discussing anything with you then?

[Piratis]

There was never any attempt to annihilate TCs. I already gave you examples of annihilation attempts and those were not done by GCs. Some 100s of people dying from both sides over a period of 10 years is not called "annihilation attempt".

So stop giving lame excuses similar to the ones that Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia. (he supposedly did so to protect the German minority there)