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[bakala]

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The truth of the matter is that Greece not the Greek Cypriots tried to take over the whole island They Gambled that using Greek Cypriot militia as puppets they could overrun the Turkish Cypriots and win the entire island.

Greece couldn’t loose because it was gambling with Greek Cypriot lives and land as the stake, the potential winnings would have been the land occupied by the Turkish Cypriots.

The Greeks had started a war they couldn’t win and put Turkey in a position where they had to invade, Greece gambled with lives that were not theirs and land that didn’t belong to them and they lost. It’s a miracle that Turkey decided to stop advancing. There was nothing to stop them, otherwise there wouldn’t be a Cyprus today

To be honest there is a debt that Greece owes the Greek Cypriots it’s the land and lives they lost in a gamble the greek Cypriots couldn’t win and the Turks couldn’t loose.

Greece was warned dozens of time what would happen and that Turkey would invade, it didnt matter to Greece they were gambling with someone elses land and lives


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[Strahd]

Who is your historian? Can you not face the fact thet the population of this island has been GREEK? No matter how hard evreyone tried... venetians, ottomans, english it remained this way... It is something no one in a zillion years will take away from the Cypriots.

[bakala]

how did the greeks get it ?

[bakala]

Strahd
i thought you were a Cypriot ?

[Piratis]

No i don’t think its right Piratis
i am totally against any violations of Human Rights.

The Charter of Human Rights is one of mans greatest creations. If not THE greatest
Penned by men of great wisdom and even greater foresight.

I would advise you to read it like I have
It has great bits in it like
No one can be denied a nationality or the right to change his nationality.
The TRNC people are denied right now the right to exist as a people isn’t that against the charter?

Nobody is denying the Republic of Cyprus nationality to TCs. They can also change it to some other nationality, e.g. Turkish if they want.
So where is the violation?

Anywhere said that it is a human right of a minority to perform ethnic cleansing, brake up a country, and claim part of it as separate country? No, that why the "trnc" is nothing more that a pseudo state build on human rights violations such as:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

how did the greeks get it ?

They build new cities in Cyprus and conducted trade with the rest. Slowly slowly their much more sophisticated civilization was adopted by the rest of the local population.
(now go check your Turkish propaganda sites to see if you can find something different)

[bakala]

how did the greeks get Cyprus ?
did they conquer the local population ?

[bakala]

maybe man evolved there when it was joined onto the Turkish mainland before the sea level rose and cut it off

[Piratis]

how did the greeks get Cyprus ?
did they conquer the local population ?

Unlike some others, ancient Greeks were founding new cities in places that didn't belong to anybody (the concept of a country did not exist then). The same happened in Cyprus, and as I explained you already the rest of the local population adopted the Greek civilization because of its superiority. Or you will doubt that also?

maybe man evolved there when it was joined onto the Turkish mainland before the sea level rose and cut it off

1) Cyprus was never joined to Asia Minor (present day Turkey)

2) At that time the Turks did not exist at all. They appeared somewhere in Mongolia later on, and came to our areas long long time after.

So bakala go do some research before you talk. You appear to be totally uneducated. When it comes to the Cyprus problem you simply know how to copy paste Turkish propaganda, and when it comes to things that your propaganda doesn't cover you just say whatever comes to your head.

[bakala]

i know the island of Cyprus was joined to as yu call it Asia minor
sorry your wrong

[PEACE]

The Ottomans (Turks) had Cyprus under their Ottoman Empire for 3 centuries (were Greek Cypriots were treated as second class people).

However at some point they lost Cyprus to the British. This is something they never really accepted since they considered Cyprus strategically important for them.

Greek Cypriots (82% of population) were hopping that in the end the British would hold some kind of referendum and allow Cypriots to decide their own destiny. However this didn't happen.

The plan for Turkey and many Turkish Cypriots since the 50s was to find a way to partition Cyprus. Turkey tried to invade a couple of times before 1974, but the best excuse was given to her in 1974 when the junta took over Cyprus.

Then under the pretext of protecting the Turkish Cypriots, invaded Cyprus taking 37% of the island and ethnically cleansing the majority of the population from the northern part Cyprus (about 200.000 people).

Of course the excuse existed in 1974. But as you say the horrific acts of the Turkish army can not be excused. Nor can the illegal occupation of Cyprus continue in 2006 with an excuse that expired 32 years ago.

When on one side you have a powerful country of 60 million people and on the other side a country of half million, you can understand that the powerful only needs an excuse to enforce his will on the weak. This is what happened in Cyprus.

Are you sure Piratis you didn't forget a big big period? 1963-1974 period?
Also Turkish Cypriot genocide you did in villages Murataga,Sandallar,Atlılar,Ayvasıl,Dohni...

What about Akritas Plan?
What about your ENOSIS desire?
What about that you forced us to live in ghettos for 11 years?
What about centre of turkish cypriot population that you erased from the map?



Well,two wrong things don't make one right but you have to be objective when looking to Cyprus history.We accept that we were wrong about some subjects and i expect you to accept your mistakes.If you pretend like you are an angel than i can say nothing happened in 1974 and after just Greek Cypriots made a Turkish Cypriot genocide and all problem is this.