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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:35 am

bakala wrote:Tcklim

its like a law of physics if you don’t agree with him you must be lying.
And you must back up your own feeling of what’s justified with a link as proof?


Nice try Tcklim mate


Bakala, if you want to have a discussion with me, I suggest you get serious; otherwise I do not feel I should have to waste my time like that!
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Postby bakala » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:36 am

The south has to maintain the pretense that they are the only Cyprus Goverment, the people of the TRNC dont need passports from the ROC to exist they have enough international support now and its growing day by day
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Postby bakala » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:37 am

its not my fault that you cant handle a sensible debate without resorting to silly arguments
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:40 am

bakala wrote:The south has to maintain the pretense that they are the only Cyprus Goverment, the people of the TRNC dont need passports from the ROC to exist they have enough international support now and its growing day by day


Ok! Then you need to explain to me why more than 70,000 of them (some 60% of all the T/Cs in the north,) have already applied and got passports and /or ids from the RoC of Cyprus, including the grand son of Rauf Denktash among them?
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:41 am

bakala wrote:its not my fault that you cant handle a sensible debate without resorting to silly arguments
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Postby bakala » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:43 am

any citizen of the TRNC can get a turkish passport no problem so an ROC passport is not essential
having dual citizenship passports is very common and desireable
i have two myself
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:47 am

bakala wrote:any citizen of the TRNC can get a turkish passport no problem so an ROC passport is not essential
having dual citizenship passports is very common and desireable
i have two myself
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Postby BlueWater » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:51 am

bakala wrote:ever heard of bovine excretia ?

The military coup was a clear signal of the impending doom of the Turkish Cypriots
the coupists aim was enosis at all cost
do you think the turks were going to let that happen ?


The Turkish military invasion in 1974 was the Doom of Greek Cypriots in Northern Cyprus.

The Turkish government and the Turkish Cypriots members of the Turkish Resistance Organization (T.M.T) also wanted to achieve at any cost, Double Enosis or a forceful Partition of Cyprus, which they accomplish in 1974 by using terror and propaganda. The Turkish military under false pretense illegally invaded, divided, ethnically cleansed and is occupying the country.
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Postby bakala » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:52 am

Kifeas
bovine = bull
excretia = shit

Bovine excretia =Bullshit
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Postby tcklim » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:52 am

Well its kindof late and I have lots of work to do over the weekend so I don't have time right now to go through all that text and copypaste the specifics, but from what I read, there were very real concerns of Enosis which justifiably threatened the Turkish Cypriots, and they were oppressed, even though the violence did extend to both sides.

I have to go through it more to realize the exact picture with regards to oppression at the sepcific time, but the account the website does portray suffering on both sides. However, the power was thought to be in favour of GC's and they didn't think Turkey would invade and were very closely to achieving enosis. Had they done so, the TC's would be threatened and so they intervened.

From what I understand, the initial intervention did foil the coup, and it was at this point when the Turkish army had not yet occupied 36% of the land that they should have stopped and diplomatic initiatives continued. It was at this point that the website claims international support was actually in favour of the Turkish intervention/invasion. Unfortunately, it was also at this point that the Turkish army apparently betrayed the trust of Clerides request for consulation time and proceeded to expand the territories and the mass killings and refugee displacement began..

That is very summarised of course, thats the gist of what I got so far, it's all on the Cyprus-conflict website but it's way too long for me to be able to go through it all at the mo.

Am i wrong in anything?

I expect if I am percived to be wrong or even wrong to be on the receiving end of some abuse pretty soon (from a certain someone who everyone knows I have my differences with). What certain people fail to realize, that even if someone in a discussion is wrong, hurling abuse and one-sided views and insults at them will only reinforce their beliefs, portray you as a bigot and encourage the person to hurl some back at you. It's human nature, and when it comes right down to it, we're all human, GCs, TCs, foreigners and yes even the English my friend, no matter where they are, North or South, noone is superior to another. That is what we have to ensure in a united Cyprus.

Unfortunately a lot of the mentality seems to indicate that we have very many ultimate wise-men in this forum who knows what everyone else is thinking, where they live, their origins and their sympathies. For example, bakala is apparently without a doubt a scamming englishmen who receives great pleasure in stealing peoples property (even though I have nowhere seen him state as such, but the wise men say so, so it must be true)..., me on the other hand, I apparently am an ex-Nazi TC who's ultimate goal in life is to cause all GCs great suffering and permanently deprive them of all their god-given human, democratic and legal rights..... it's a good thing you all told me this, cos now I will have to change my ways and maybe should consider moving to the North, applying for turkish citizenship and forming a new TMT. That will take some time.

Anyway, with accusations like the above constantly being flung about without any backup whatsoever, I fail to see why I should back myself up so I'm off to my peaceful slumber now to dream up new ways to recruit potential extremists for my new plot, and bakala, I suggest you do the same :)
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