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Britain and the Invasion

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Kifeas » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:57 pm

mrfromng wrote:Piratis, my 2 friends were killed long before the intervention.

Kifeas, whats the matter, is the truth hurting you?


My friend, this is the opinion of an individual on the overall issue of Cyprus. I can also do the same and post 10 such diatribes that claim quite the opposite. What you did was completely irrelevant to our discussion and it seems to me a very cheap method on your part to escape from the questions that have been placed to you in the previous posts.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:00 pm

I am sad because some criminals exist who insist on illegalities and human right violations.

I would be much happier if everybody would accept that there can be no excuse for continuing these crimes against innocent people.

My friends were killed 2 weeks before Turkey could save them. I am willing to give the exact location the exact date and time and my friends names, with the permission of their family of course.


The coup, the excuse for Turkey to invade, was just 5 days before the invasion. It is sad that having nothing to say you revert to such pathetic lies. Did you know that Hitler had invaded Czechoslovakia to supposedly "save" the German minority there?

Come on mrfromng, it is obvious that Turkey invaded to take part of Cyprus for herself and all the rest were excuses. 32 years after, Cyprus is in EU and Turkey still gives the same lame excuses about "evil" GCs that would kill the TCs if these GCs are allowed to return to their own homes.

Just stop the lame excuses my friend. The ethnic cleansing and the occupation of Cyprus can not be excused.
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Postby MR-from-NG » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:11 pm

It's all lies to you. When the truth is told you try and make others believe otherwise.

I WILL MAKE IT MY BUSINESS TO DISCLOSE THE LOCATION, THE DATE AND TIME AND MY FRIENDS NAMES FOR YOU TO SEE AND HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME. BUT OF COURSE IT'S OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NO SHAME.

YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME, YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:13 pm

mrfromng wrote: My friends were killed 2 weeks before Turkey could save them. I am willing to give the exact location the exact date and time and my friends names, with the permission of their families of course.


Where, when and under what circumstances did you friends get killed in 1974?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:18 pm

So what you claim is that if 2 TCs are killed this justifies the killing of 6000 GCs and the ethnic cleansing of 200.000?????

the truth my friend is that on this island the Turks have oppressed and butchered 10s of thousands of GCs since the time they set their foot on this island and they continue they crimes as we speak.

Do you really compare the suffering that the Turks caused to Greek Cypriots with the suffering of TCs which was not even 1/100th of that of the GCs, so to excuse the crimes you continue against us today?

Yes, some TCs were killed and FAR MORE GCs. How does this excuse even more crimes against GCs today????

How about ending the crimes against all and accepting legality, democracy and human rights? Why you don't like this?
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:44 pm

Just go hire a book from the library and swot up yourself


Pump your librarian is ripping you off if she is making "hire' books. Mine borrows book 4 free. Habib you got ripped!
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Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:00 am

Look, one life lost is one too many. We are getting nowhere with this. I am not anti Greek nor do I get pleasure from Greeks or anybody else getting killed. For all its worth, I shed tears for the victims in the Hellio plane crash. My problem is your perception of us and the way you so venomously want to portray us to the rest of the world. Not that you're succeeding, I think the world is a lot wiser to the Cyprus issue and all this TC and GC crap.

Going back is not the way forward, lets talk about how and when we expect some dialogue between the 2 sides. You may not be aware of this but you are loosing valuable time in talking to Talat, time is a luxury you do not have.

The article below is interesting, would you please tell me what percentage of the GC public would go along with this idea?

Just let refugees stay where they are
(archive article - Sunday, March 19, 2006)
“WE HAVE been shouting and protesting for 30 years because the Turkish Cypriots have been building on our property. But the legitimate government (of Cyprus) gave us money to build houses on the properties of the Turkish Cypriots. And at the time they lied to us, telling us that they had given us state land. This was what was written on the documents we signed.”

I retained these words, uttered by a frustrated citizen in a television news story about a noisy protest held last Tuesday in Polemidia by hundreds of displaced persons who had built houses on plots given to them by the Spyros Kyprianou government some 30 years ago.

In the same report, a woman, who was visibly angry, said: “We were fooled. They brought us here, gave us land belonging to the Turkish Cypriots and, through a life of hard toil, we built our houses on it, married, brought up our children and now they are telling us to leave and that they will give us a plot somewhere else. In other words, we have to start from the beginning again. We will never leave. We will stay here and if they dare, they can come and kick us out.”

Similar sentiments were expressed by several other protesters. I consider the words of these people very important because they expose, in the most damning way, the absurdity of the policy we followed in the post-1974 years. The policy was centred on the nefarious slogan, ‘All refugees will return to their homes’.

I will not refer to the hypocrisy of the parties in government, which, in view of the elections, are now proceeding with the issuing of title deeds for houses to thousands of refugees. These very same parties lambasted the former president Glafcos Clerides, accusing him of treachery, when, seven or eight years ago, he decided to issue title deeds. I had questioned the wisdom of this move at the time, predicting that one of the consequences would be to create resentment among all refugees who had built houses on Turkish Cypriot land; Tuesday’s protest in Polemidia proved the point. During the Clerides presidency the patriots of AKEL, EDEK and DIKO accused the government of issuing ‘title deeds’ because it had surrendered the right of the refugees to return to their own homes.

The slogan about the “right of all refugees to return to their homes”, with which politicians have been bombarding us for more than 30 years is a myth that has now collapsed, as the words of the refugees mentioned above show. It is blatantly obvious that today, 32 years after the displacement of large sections of the population, almost none of the refugees want to return to their home – I refer to the areas that would be under Turkish Cypriot control in the event of a federal settlement.

There are three main reasons for this. First, in the 32 years that have passed almost half the refugees have died. Second, those who were children in 1974 have now married and settled down in the free areas, where they have their homes and jobs. Third, a large number of them have settled down in the government refugee estates or in Turkish Cypriot properties, as in the case of the protesters in Polemidia.

And the only thing they want is to be able to stay permanently there, in the houses in which they had married, given birth and brought up their children, as the angry woman said on television. I would like to stress this point because, as I had written in a column just after the referendum, this was one of the main reasons why they voted against a settlement and would do so again if they had to. These people are happy where they are today and do not want another change in their life.

That none of our leaders who have been dealing with the Cyprus problem all these years has been willing to take this harsh reality into account is the main factor for our failure to reach a settlement.



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Postby Kifeas » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:11 am

My friend mrfromng, this thread says “Britain and the invasion.” You claimed that the invasion was legal, and I said to you that it was not legal and asked you a question. Why don’t you answer the question(s) and instead you try to escape by constantly diverting the subject.
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Postby rawk » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:46 am

Kifeas

Some of the stuff you are sayng is ringing bells! You don't post as Costas on another website do you?
Do you have a pet rabbit called Henry? Do you have a Social Worker?

http://cyprusmirror.com/index.php?newsi ... tegory=126

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Postby Kifeas » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:04 am

rawk wrote:Kifeas

Some of the stuff you are sayng is ringing bells! You don't post as Costas on another website do you?
Do you have a pet rabbit called Henry? Do you have a Social Worker?

http://cyprusmirror.com/index.php?newsi ... tegory=126

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Which stuff I say rings bells?
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