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[LANDJO]

...everyone keeps shouting that it is illegal to buy properties in the north. I presume you refer to GC properties only, or should it be illegal to but any property regardless of whom the deed belonged to?

My question now is: given that the TC administration has the de facto power in the north, whether recognized or not, it has to be acceptable that citizens and foreign obey by their rules and that the deeds of the government are recognized. Consequently, TC drivers licenses are recognized in the South, TCs are not sued for income tax in the South, and a GC speeding in the north has to pay his fine in the north.

If there is a solution, are you arguing that that solution has to invalidate every single act of the TRNC? All licenses, all university diplomas, all income taxes paid, all company registrations? Or are you saying that only a select few of these acts should be invalidated, such as title deeds?

[Piratis]

In fact I am so confident I aw willing to bet £100.000 on it.

When you invest 100.000 to commit a crime I hope you realize that the worst case scenario is not just losing your investment.

As I said before you are an immoral criminal that is willing to risk, thinking that you will get away with it. I say you will not, and not only you will lose your investment but you will be punished for your crime as well.

The majority of land in the occupied areas belongs to Greek Cypriots, since Turkich Cypriots are only the 18% minority. However from the properties sold an even greater majority belongs to GCs, since the TC land is much more expensive and TCs live in that land and therefore not all of it is available for sale.

So if you buy in the occupied areas there is a 90% chance you are "buying" a stolen Greek Cypriot property. If you care to check whether that property is GC or not you can.

There is no excuse for committing this crime and you are fully aware of it.

Go ahead with your crime if you insist. Not only we do not wish you "good luck" we will work against you and your crimes to make sure you will not have any.

[Piratis]

LANDJO, Turkish Cypriots are also victims of the Cyprus problem and the illegal occupation. Therefore we would do anything to help them as long as it wouldn't also help the pseudo state of "trnc" and the Turkish occupation.
Therefore do not misunderstand the goodwill of Greek Cypriots to help Turkish Cypriots as a recognition of any of the illegal acts of the pseudo state.

However it is not the same with the foreigners that go to the occupied areas with the sole reason of exploiting and benefiting from the misery and loss of our refugees. Such people are nothing short from immoral criminals and they will be treated in this way.

[MR-from-NG]

Threats, threats, and more threats. You guys are tough on your keyboards thats all. In real life you are a bunch of loosers. Where was your toughness when the Turks arrived? You were running around like headless chickens. Please give it a rest and get on with your miserable lives.

Anybody with the intensions of disturbing the peace in the north will be dealt with severely. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

[pumpernickle]

Disturbing the peace in the north?!



so they'd walk around with a transistor radio on after 7pm then?
the North couldn't be more quiet, unless you killed all the morning birds. It's as peaceful as they come.

In terms of starting a fight, can't see it. Although inter communal boxing matches could be a sound idea.

[lysi]

Pimpernipple you really are a nasty pro-occupation prat, i hope you enjoy yourself in the occupied north, its so quite because it is a police state.

[MR-from-NG]

Lysi, producing hot smelly air again.

[rawk]

piratus

Did you read this article in the Cyprus Times?

'Leave Then Be' says Greek Cypriot Journalist 21/03/2006
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GREEK Cypriot Columnist Lucas Charalambus, referring to a demonstration held by Greek Cypriot refugees at Polemidia pointed out that while the Greek Cypriots were complaining at every platform that the Turkish Cypriots were building on Greek Cypriot land, the land that was given to the Greek Cypriot refugees despite said it was government land turned out to be Turkish Cypriot owned.

Slamming the political parties in the south and accusing them of hypocrisy, he said that the policy of all the refugees returning home was a myth and it had now collapsed.

He wrote that after 32 years almost none of the refugees want to return to their home.

Here is the Lucas Charalmbus's "Just let refugees stay where they are" titled piece which appeared in the Sunday Mail last week:

"WE HAVE been shouting and protesting for 30 years because the Turkish Cypriots have been building on our property. But the legitimate government (of Cyprus) gave us money to build houses on the properties of the Turkish Cypriots. And at the time they lied to us, telling us that they had given us state land. This was what was written on the documents we signed."

I retained these words, uttered by a frustrated citizen in a television news story about a noisy protest held last Tuesday in Polemidia by hundreds of displaced persons who had built houses on plots given to them by the Spyros Kyprianou government some 30 years ago.

In the same report, a woman, who was visibly angry, said: "We were fooled. They brought us here, gave us land belonging to the Turkish Cypriots and, through a life of hard toil, we built our houses on it, married, brought up our children and now they are telling us to leave and that they will give us a plot somewhere else. In other words, we have to start from the beginning again. We will never leave. We will stay here and if they dare, they can come and kick us out."

Similar sentiments were expressed by several other protesters. I consider the words of these people very important because they expose, in the most damning way, the absurdity of the policy we followed in the post-1974 years. The policy was centred on the nefarious slogan, 'All refugees will return to their homes'.

I will not refer to the hypocrisy of the parties in government, which, in view of the elections, are now proceeding with the issuing of title deeds for houses to thousands of refugees. These very same parties lambasted the former president Glafcos Clerides, accusing him of treachery, when, seven or eight years ago, he decided to issue title deeds. I had questioned the wisdom of this move at the ti¬me, predicting that one of the consequences would be to create resentment among all refugees who had built houses on Turkish Cypriot land; Tuesday's protest in Polemidia proved the point. During the Clerides presidency the patriots of AKEL, EDEK and DIKO accused the government of issuing 'title deeds' because it had surrendered the right of the refugees to return to their own homes.

The slogan about the "right of all refugees to return to their homes", with which politicians have been bombarding us for more than 30 years is a myth that has now collapsed, as the words of the refugees mentioned above show. It is blatantly obvious that today, 32 years after the displacement of large sections of the population, almost none of the refugees want to return to their home - I refer to the areas that would be under Turkish Cypriot control in the event of a federal settlement.

There are three main reasons for this. First, in the 32 years that have passed almost half the refugees have died. Second, those who were children in 1974 have now married and settled down in the free areas, where they have their homes and Jobs. Third, a large number of them have settled down in the government refugee estates or in Turkish Cypriot properties, as in the case of the protesters in Polemidia.

And the only thing they want is to be able to stay permanently there, in the houses in which they had married, given birth and brought up their children, as the angry woman said on television. I would like to stress this point because, as I had written in a column just after the referendum, this was one of the main reasons why they voted against a settlement and would do so again if they had to. These people are happy where they are today and do not want another change in their life.

That none of our leaders who have been dealing with the Cyprus problem all these years has been willing to take this harsh reality into account is the main factor for our failure to reach a settlement.

© Copyright Cyprus Times 2005


rawk

[cypezokyli]

this article of lucas charalambous is spreading like a diseace.
it was also today in TDN !!!

i believe lucas sharalambous has drown conclusions based on wrong assumptions.
he has a couple of right points regarding the mistakes of the goverment and the parties.
but the conclusions he draws , and the way he draws them is absolutely wrong.

moreoever the way this article has spread and been used does not help the purpose of the refugees.

[bakala]

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Rawk splendid post mate

I bow to your superb unbeatable argument

another argument for forgeting all this " you stole this i didnt do anything wrong shite."
i Also wonder how much of the land allocated to the greek Cypriots as compensation was siphoned off for the top dogs to trade or sell off for a good few bob. a demand for an enquirey may reveal a few red faces at the top of the political power mongers in the greek Cypriot Goverment


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