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The view of the Mediterranean countries reliant on tourism will recognise that North Cyprus would have a growing impact on the tourism market.

The people in the respective Mediterranean countries will be well aware that at present North Cyprus tourism is handicapped by the difficulties imposed by the embargo, the difficulties and extra expense of reaching the north coast by Air travel being the most obvious handicap, So though diplomatically those other countries don’t openly oppose the cause of the TRNC, they would be unofficially reluctant to support the TRNC because of the competition the TRNC would bring for the tourism industry,
The recognition of the TRNC is on the doorstep of reality anyone who knows the UN Charter of Human rights Article 15 sections 1 and 2 should realise that the denial of the TRNC people s identity is in direct opposition to this Charter, the European Plutocrats are scared to death of being accused of violations of human rights by denying recognition of nationality under the article,

If one member of the TRNC government ever gets the chance to address the United Nations council (something the Greek government would try to stop) he would quote Article 15 and the TRNC would be recognised world wide within twenty four hours
The people who instigated the embargo and those who supported it in breach of serious human rights

What most people don’t realise is that perhaps the best state of affairs for the TRNC is that the TRNC gains recognition but not entry to the EU, this could have a number of unbeatable advantages for the TRNC,

The TRNC would then be more open to the Tourist markets. The cheapest holidays in the med would be open to free access and the drift towards the north would escalate.
In these days all the countries whose coastline includes the med, compete for the same tourist market, they see the TRNC as a very real threat, At one time the Brits descended into Spain in Droves, over time the Spanish have almost made the golden goose infertile by allowing Spain to become a comparatively expensive place to holiday now. My own brother lives in Spain in a place called Fuengerola he has told me that the people is Spain who rely on the tourism have been complaining for 3 years about the obvious fall in their market share,

The British now seek out new and cheaper places to spend their money and more and more have migrated to Cyprus and the Turkish Coast, when (and I don’t mean if) the Turkish Cypriot north coast has Airlines flying directly from Manchester London and Birmingham, the acceleration of the present tourism boom can be expected to be astronomical. Up to now the cost of living and the comparatively cheap holidays that can be enjoyed on the north coast were a well kept secret. As everyone knows if you have a really good holiday you always tell your workmates and friends, so in tourism there are no secrets that remain secret for more than one holiday period,

The lack of recognition is the one thing that shackles the development of the North Coast and the TRNC, Once recognition comes not only will it fire up the tourism but it would have a positive impact on the Ex pat residents, they will add their own considerable financial clout to the industry by providing new villas to rent out to the growing market, the inevitable bars and discos will spring up and before you know it North Cyprus will be like Spain was 20 years ago. Instead of what is now Spain 50 years ago?

There is no doubt about it the boom is coming and it is unstoppable it’s only a matter of when. not if.


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[Piratis]

The "TRNC" is an illegal pseudo state because it was created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the population from 1/3rd of Cyprus.

When Hitler was invading Czechoslovakia with the excuse of protecting the German minority there also had in mind an empire that would last a thousand years.

It is a matter of when, not if, that the refugees will return to their homes and the illegal occupation of Republic of Cyprus will end.

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lol..and how many human rights abuses does the 'TRNC' create?

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Piratis
the whole point is that by the terms of the UN human righrs charter its illegal to deny anyones right to a nationality
and everyone has the right to change thier nationality

also there is an interesting sentance in the united states declaration of independance that states
that """ it is the right and the duty of evry nation to cast off a despotic goverment and make a new one """"
the people of the TRNC believe thats what they did

Where do you think the sympathies of the people of the USA will lie when they they think that the TRNC have done what they did 300 years ago,

or indeed the people of France, in effect the Tyurkish people had a revolution against an oppresive goverment and took over the north .

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If denying someones right to nationality is against human rights...then denying the Greek Cypriots majority wish to join Cyprus with Greece back in the 1950's, like the other ethnically and culturally Greek islands, was a human rights abuse too?

Does this mean that if the muslim population of Bradford wanted to segregate their town from the rest of the UK...and Britain disallowed it....it would be a human rights abuse??? Even though the differance being that the percentage of Greek Cypriots from the north of Cyprus is far grater than the percentages of muslims in Bradford...which is well known for having a large Islamic community.

What your implying is ridiculous! Do you not think its a bigger human rights abuse to force people from their property and ethnically cleanse a population that has roots on a particular piece of land stretching back 3,500 years??

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i think its better if you avoid references to Etnic cleansing: after all if you were honest it was the Greeks and the greek cypriot militia that first brought it to Cyrprus: its an historicly documented fact, all Pre 74
the fact that they were stopped from completing the cleansing by the Turkish landings, doesent alter history pre 1974 except in Greek Schoolrooms

you were the schoolyard bully caught in the act of beating up the little kid to try to steal all the marbles. The fact that the little kids big brother arrived just in time to kick your asses and save the little kid doesent alter the fact that you started this little conflict by breaking every part of the 1960 agreement, and it doesent alter the fact that you still want all the marbles: the gamble was to take the whole Island you didnt and lost the game very badly. in fact you ended up losing more than you gained and thats what realy hurts and keeps you from making any progress at the negotiating table.

in a nutshell you cant have your marbles back . and by the way they were not all yours to begin with,

the only way you could take back land from the North is to sneak another 20.000 tropps on the island and try to invade the north while the TCs are sleeping. small problem is there are regular turkish troops there to stop you, you can try if you want but i wouldnt advise it

As for your little analogy RE bradford,

The vast majority of the Muslim Britains living in Bradford are happy to be there. a large number are refugees from Countries that persecuted them. a lot of them are political asylum seekers that have fled from regimes like the Pre 74 one that existed in Cyprus, None of them are prevented from returning to the country of their birth if its outside the UK. They are not herded into ghettos nor are they denied basic human rights like representation in Goverment,
They are protected by one of the finest and most tolerant police forces in the world, They are free to practice their religion also protectd by statute, anyone burning down a mosque In britain would find himself in prison for i think 14 years max:

there is positive discrimination in favour of ehnic minority populations being recruited for the police force at the present time, i know this first hand because my 18 year old daughter is a police cadet

if the british Goverment set out to deny any British Citizens ( regardless of colour or creed ) their rights like the greek Cypriot goverment did to the Turkish Cypriots then the british Goverment would fall and we would elect a new one. you forget we still have a a democraticaly elected Goverment that does not allow what happend to the Turkish Cypriots. and a people that wouldnt tolerate any goverment who did.

the major difference being that the British people control the British Goverment,
while the greek Cypriot Goverment is influenced by Greece,

of course the TRNC goverment is influenced by Turkey which is only right because if it wasent for turkey the Turkish Cypriots would have been ethnicly cleansed out of existance prior to 74

you forget that you are living with the handicap of a history based on lies, the rest of the world knows the truth, The more you deny the events of pre 74 the less respect you get in the world,

The world sees that what happend prior to 74 was Bosnia before Bosnia and look what happend to the Serbs,
as for your reference to greeks living in Cyprus for 3500 years
ever heard of the ottoman empire the Crusaders . Romans .
the only people who have a claim today on that island are the Cypriots born there. the rest are just Guests,

its an an archeological fact that the oldest fossilised bones found on the island were from digs mixed with pottery shards exactly the same as those found on the Turkish Mainland 40 miles away. which happens to be the nearest coastline to the Island,

I believe the nearest Greek coastline is 500 miles away, correct me if i am wrong,
so if you are going to apply historical presence as a right to claim the island i am afraid you lost again.

in fact if i were you i would give up while you are loosing.







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Its also an historical fact that greece denied the right to vote to 50% of its own population untill 1952 . thats only 8 years before they became involved in the governing of Cyprus
would you like to challenge that ?

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think its better if you avoid references to Etnic cleansing: after all if you were honest it was the Greeks and the greek cypriot militia that first brought it to Cyrprus: its an historicly documented fact, all Pre 74
the fact that they were stopped from completing the cleansing by the Turkish landings, doesent alter history pre 1974 except in Greek Schoolrooms

Wrong...by the time of the second Turkish landings, EOKA B had disbanded and the Greek junta ws no longer in power. If you look at UN figures, roughly the same amount of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots died in the intercommunal violance between 1963 and 1974. The same figures also show that more Greek Cypriots died in the summer of 1974 than the total amount of Turkish Cypriots in the 10 yers before. When you see Greeks Cypriots brought ethnic cleansing is a 'historically documented fact'...which documents are these facts from? The ATCA website? lol Infact, the first EOKA B mass murders of Turkish Cypriots were in response to the Turkish mass murders of Greek Cypriots during the invasion...hense it being part of war. If you REALLY want to talk about the first ethnic cleansing in Cyprus, then look into the hostory books were the Ottoman Empire slaughtered 20,000 Greek Cypriots in Nicosia when they first conquered the island.

you were the schoolyard bully caught in the act of beating up the little kid to try to steal all the marbles. The fact that the little kids big brother arrived just in time to kick your asses and save the little kid doesent alter the fact that you started this little conflict by breaking every part of the 1960 agreement, and it doesent alter the fact that you still want all the marbles: the gamble was to take the whole Island you didnt and lost the game very badly. in fact you ended up losing more than you gained and thats what realy hurts and keeps you from making any progress at the negotiating table

We've heard this story about RoC or EOKA B being the bully and it is totally baseless. Even Denktash has stated that the main reason Turkey invaded Cyprus was for stategic military reasons before protecting Turkish Cypriots. As I also said, EOKA B mass murders of Turkish Cypriots did not begin until the Turkish invasion and response to the Turkish mass murders of Greek Cypriots. You can make up as many of these analogies as you like but until they represent the truth, they will be baseless and you will only be kidding yourself. Besides, EOKA B did no way represent the majority of Greek Cypriots at that moment in time and the TMT was just as bad. Also, the guarantot rights only gave Turkey the right to restore peace to the island, which we all can see did not happen. It did not give them the right to ethnically cleanse the north of Cyprus of Greek Cypriots, murder and rape woman and children and contiually occupy the island. If you want a more objective view of these statements, go see what the European Courts of Human Rights have to say on the issue.

in a nutshell you cant have your marbles back . and by the way they were not all yours to begin with,

Yes we can and around 90 % of the 'marbles' in the north were Greek Cypriot owned. If you wont give them back with regards to a fair settlement, well lets hope theres another war.

the only way you could take back land from the North is to sneak another 20.000 tropps on the island and try to invade the north while the TCs are sleeping. small problem is there are regular turkish troops there to stop you, you can try if you want but i wouldnt advise it

Well judging from your previous remarks, your advice is not that valuable to me. If you wont accept a fair settlement to reunify the island for all Cypriots, well lets hope there is another war on people like you.

The vast majority of the Muslim Britains living in Bradford are happy to be there. a large number are refugees from Countries that persecuted them. a lot of them are political asylum seekers that have fled from regimes like the Pre 74 one that existed in Cyprus, None of them are prevented from returning to the country of their birth if its outside the UK. They are not herded into ghettos nor are they denied basic human rights like representation in Goverment,
They are protected by one of the finest and most tolerant police forces in the world, They are free to practice their religion also protectd by statute, anyone burning down a mosque In britain would find himself in prison for i think 14 years max:

Firstly, my example of muslims in Bradford was exactly that, an example and i did not say this would happen. Although there has been speculation that some of the Islamic community in these areas would like the muslim doinated areas to be governed by Shariah law. there Turkish Cypriots were not hurded into ghettos by the Greek Cypriots...infact, many Turkish Cypriots chose to leave there homes in order to live out the segregation ideology. It is also a FACT that the Turkish Cypriot TMT militia killed people within their own community who opposed to such an ideology. RoC did not deny Turkish Cypriots there basic human rights...get it right, they wanted to change the British impose constitution which gave the Turkish Cypriot community priveleges...a privelege is not a human right. IF YOU HAVE ANY DECENCY, STOP LYING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE CYPRUS PROBELEM! Try reading a decent objective website like www.cyprus-conflict.net...instead of that joke of a website ATCA.

They are protected by one of the finest and most tolerant police forces in the world, They are free to practice their religion also protectd by statute, anyone burning down a mosque In britain would find himself in prison for i think 14 years max:

I didnt say otherwise.

there is positive discrimination in favour of ehnic minority populations being recruited for the police force at the present time, i know this first hand because my 18 year old daughter is a police cadet

Whats this got to do with my last post?

if the british Goverment set out to deny any British Citizens ( regardless of colour or creed ) their rights like the greek Cypriot goverment did to the Turkish Cypriots then the british Goverment would fall and we would elect a new one. you forget we still have a a democraticaly elected Goverment that does not allow what happend to the Turkish Cypriots. and a people that wouldnt tolerate any goverment who did.

Read what I said above...the British government does not give a particular minority a guarnteed 30% of government jobs, even though they made up 18% of the community.

the major difference being that the British people control the British Goverment,
while the greek Cypriot Goverment is influenced by Greece,

crap! The Greek government has no influence on the Republic of Cyprus government...again another lie used to promote your ideologies.

of course the TRNC goverment is influenced by Turkey which is only right because if it wasent for turkey the Turkish Cypriots would have been ethnicly cleansed out of existance prior to 74

So Talat does not have full control over the 'TRNC'? Again, lok at the events immediatly before the invasion and you will see there was no Turkish Cypriot ethnic cleansing as you like to believe.

you forget that you are living with the handicap of a history based on lies, the rest of the world knows the truth, The more you deny the events of pre 74 the less respect you get in the world,

Are you saying the rest of the world beleives the history you are trying to portray? lol...are you serious???? Go check the ECHR to begin with.

its an an archeological fact that the oldest fossilised bones found on the island were from digs mixed with pottery shards exactly the same as those found on the Turkish Mainland 40 miles away. which happens to be the nearest coastline to the Island,

lol...is this your link to Cyprus being originall Turkish?? Get real. The archeological findings you are talking about were from a Syrian / Sumerian single settlement around the Kition area. In 1,500 BC, Mycenean Greeks where the first too settle around the rest of the island, after leaving the Greek mainland in order to flee the Greek Dorian invasions. Many Myceanan Greeks also settled on Cyprus after the Trojan war. Mycenean Greeks, who sailed eastward, also settled on the western coast of Asia Minor (modern day Turkey)..so I suppose those bones you are talking about could have been Myceanean Greeks. My I also remind you there were no such things as Turks or Seljuk Turks at that point in time, as they had not invaded Asia Minor for another 1,000+ years.

in fact if i were you i would give up while you are loosing.

lol...learn how to spell 'losing' first and then go get some quality research or education instead of buying into your Turkish propaganda.

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Its also an historical fact that greece denied the right to vote to 50% of its own population untill 1952 . thats only 8 years before they became involved in the governing of Cyprus
would you like to challenge that ?

Greece has never governed Cyprus let alone from 1960? where do you find this crap information? You seem like a grown man, dont you feel ashamed to let yourself be fooled by such propaganda??

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Sorry mate

the greek Cypriot south responds to greek influence and if you think it doeset it just shows how successful they are in fooling you

its an historical fact that Greece denied 50% of its own people the right to vote or stand for election untill 1952
do you want me to prove it to you ?