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Who have suffered more casualties in Cyprus? TCs or GCs?

Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:59 pm

First of all I have to make something very clear:

I believe that we should leave the past behind, we should forgive each other, stop all illegalities and move ahead with a united democratic country without racist discriminations and with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots.

Unfortunately I notice that there some people that insist on using a tiny and selective part of the past as an excuse for the continuation of illegalities and their demand for a "solution" that will be based on racist discrimination of people based on their ethnic background (which is something that exists in no democratic country in the world)

To those people Greek Cypriots deserved the violations of their human rights for the last 32 years and they deserve to be convicted for eternal violation of their human rights in a country that discriminates against them because of their race.

The fact is however that Turks in Cyprus have committed 100 times more crimes against Greek Cypriots than the other way around.

Greek Cypriots have been the majority on the island of Cyprus for 3000+ years. Their interaction with Turks starts in the 15th century, were the Turks attacked our island. This also answers the question "Who started it" for anybody that thinks that this is important:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.


So now it is clear how the interaction of Turks with Greek Cypriots started in Cyprus, and the question "Who started it" is answered as well.

What followed were 300 years of Ottoman rule in Cyprus. During these 3 centuries Greek Cypriots were oppressed second category citizens. They had to pay multiple times the taxes of muslims and their testimony in courts was not accepted. Whenever they tried to revolt against their oppressors they were slaughtered.

So here we have a period were Turks were oppressing and killing Greeks in Cyprus. The result of this period was 300 years of oppression against GCs and 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots dead.

The next "round" of conflict between the two communities was at the end of the British rule in Cyprus, and then from 63 to 68. During this period extremists from both sides were committing crimes and atrocities.

This is the only period that TCs remember, but even here they remember only their own casualties and not the crimes that they had committed against GCs.

So this is a period were both sides had about an equal number of casualties, some 100s for each side.

Then in 1974 the illegal coupists overthrow our president and Turkey found the excuse to invade Cyprus. No TC was killed by the coupists before the invasion had started, but only after.
The result of the coup/invasion was 6000 GCs dead and 200.000 GCs ethnically cleansed. On the other side the TCs had only a couple of 100s of victims.

The next period is the 32 years of illegal occupation and insistence from Turkey to violate international law and human rights. This continues until today.

Conclusion:
1) The Turks "started it" in the 15th century
2) The Turks have committed much much more crimes against Greek Cypriots.
3) The Turks insist on their crimes today
4) Greek Cypriots have committed crimes as well, but only a tiny fraction of the crimes that the Turks have committed.

Still, Greek Cypriots are more than willing to put all these behind as long as we are not provoked by people that remember only the 1% of history that suits that in order to prove that Greek Cypriots are the evil people that deserve even more crimes against them.

Therefore I ask from people on this forum to either:

1) Leave the past behind. Do not try to excuse crimes and illegalities in 2006 with events that happened in the past. Concentrate on how we can find a solution that will respect all Cypriots equally without racist discriminations and human right violations.

Or, if doing (1) is impossible for you then at least:

2) If you believe that the past should be used to determine who is the "good" and who is the "bad" one and that this should be the basis of solving the Cyprus problem (instead of democracy, human rights and legality, that I propose) then at least use the whole history and not the tiny bits that suit you.
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Postby Simon » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:32 pm

We're waiting TCs. Where are the responses to this well constructed post?
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Postby Strahd » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:46 pm

What did you expect... do not expect anyone to answer to your post.
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Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:54 pm

What exactly is the point of responding to you guys? all we are doing is re-arranging the deck-chairs on the Titanic.
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Postby Simon » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:56 pm

What exactly is the point of responding to you guys? all we are doing is re-arranging the deck-chairs on the Titanic.


Just a typical response. That is code for saying, "I have nothing to say in response to this post."
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Postby rolo » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:36 pm

simon

stop wasting our and your time, go to bed or play with your pc or something. No-one is disputing what Piratis said. we all know that the turks started it, and that gcs must have been second class citizens under the ottomans, what we dispute is how we can stop this killing of each other, which has been going on for three hundred. For the last 30 years we have taken a break but it has taken the refugees, 6000 dead,l and the intervention of the Turkish army to put and end to the last killing phase which lasted 14 yrs 1960 - 1974. We have currently returned to the 60s position of looking for a solution. got any sensible ideas?
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Postby andri_cy » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:29 pm

intervention....lol
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Postby rolo » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:25 am

i call it intervention, you obviously have a million other words for it.

and dont forget it was gcs killing themselves that allowed this intervention,,,,,,,,,,,,,even funnier lol, eh?.
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:46 am

got any sensible ideas?


yeah genuine democracy without any undemocratic priviliges out of proportion with thier population for the Turkish Cypriots who after all are just one of many of the ethnic minorities who live in Cyprus.

There is only one human race and only one cyprus!
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Postby Simon » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:35 pm

rolo I think you will find that some TCs have disputed what Piratis has said above in the past so why don't you get your facts straight before shooting your mouth of.

I have posted numerous ways in which this problem can be resolved. But I get the same thing every time, the majority of TCs refuse to accept human rights and the rule of law. They want their illegal state to continue and do not care less for the GCs who's homes they have stole.

How about a BBF on a 80/20 admin split? This could include a revolving Presidency, GC then TC etc.

How about a return to the 1960 Agreements?

I'd even accept partition on a 80/20 basis to end the problem.

These are based on compromise and proportionality. There is no EOKA anymore, no military regime, no planned coup - so there is no reason for the Turkish army to be there anymore and no need for the occupation. So how about all refugees return home where possible, settlers leave - and Cyprus can just vote for who they want like any other country, which does not need to involve a BBF. There is another solution.

How about you? Have you got any sensible ideas? All some seem to do on this Forum is attack others without sensibly contributing to a debate.
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