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[bakala]

Simon
a revolving presedancy would not get beyond the first term because if itwas a TC as first president he would drop all the Gcs in the sea.
if it was a GC in the first term he would Drop all the Tcs in the sea

the only way to end this is a partitioned island two of federal states
Both Anexed to the EU and protectd with a gaurantee of military protection for both states
Turkey withdraws its forces
the island to become a demiliterized zone
two EU naval bases one north one south paid for by the EU
a fair system of land compensation that doesent push anyone out of their homes
recognition for TRNC
gaurantee of entry to EU for Turkey in the decade

[bakala]

have i missed anything
sensible suggestions please

[Agios Amvrosios]

the only way to end this is a partitioned island two of federal states

Partition is a war crime , it has been condemned as such and there is no other way to look at it. Besides Greek Cypriots have already voted on this issue. partition was not accepted why do you think it would be accepted at this stage?

Both Anexed to the EU and protectd with a gaurantee of military protection for both states

Military guarantees will not be agreed to given the benefit of recent history. Turkey cannot be trusted not to abuse this power as a subtefuge for further ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

Turkey withdraws its forces

No shit sherlock- the occupation is illegal and the relevant UN resolutions call on the IMMEDIATE withdrawa of Turkish troopsl not the withdrawal if and when Turkey feels like it. The illegal character of the occupation is documented. Perhaps the invasion may have been legal but the ongoing occupation designed to maintain ethnic cleansing is a war crime and in breach of the Geneva Convention which Turkey has signed. The Geneva convetion is not just "a suggestion" as Turkey seems to treat it.

the island to become a demiliterized zone

Perhaps to ensure peace in the region Turkey should lead by example on this approach and then we can all hold hand singing we a re the world we are the children and everyone lives happily ever after.

two EU naval bases one north one south paid for by the EU

Your mates are against the EU taking on a military personality.

a fair system of land compensation that doesent push anyone out of their homes

Land Compensation- an inadequate remedy for ethnic cleansing and other war crimes. The only remedy for ethnic cleansing is restitution to the property or at the very least the right to live in the same town or village in similar property. ANy solution must completely remedy ethnic cleansing or you will enjoy another OXI vote at the referendum.

recognition for TRNC

Recognize this you are a pariah state founded on crimes against humanity like ethnic cleansing.

gaurantee of entry to EU for Turkey in the decade

I am all for a modern European Turkey joining the EU but Turkey at the moment is a ultra nationalist regime run by the military. No country was given guaranteed EU accession. Most countries except for the founding members had to jump through a million hoops and kiss a lot of ass the size of Russia to get in. Turkey will have to do the same if not more because you have people in the EU shit scared. Turkey gives a lot of europeans bad dreams. You will have to work it babe to convince the people of the EU not to be afraid. I think working on your PR is going to be a mammoth task which will take alot of talent and coordination to pull off.

If Turkey can convince the people of Cyprus that it is willing to be a cooperative member of the EU then it will be able to convince anyone. Good Luck

If Turkey continues in its beligirence towards Cyprus then may god save you all.

[bakala]

Agios
perhaps the Turks should kill all the Turkish Cypriots and give all the island to you personaly
Hows that ?
or maybe thats not enough ?

Inappropriate comments deleted, Lana

[Agios Amvrosios]

We are all very impressed Paklava. If some body disagrees with you then you abandon the discussion and resort to personal attacks. P.S. I am not from Crete I am Cypriot


No one buys the cheap argument that the Turkish Army is illegal maintaining th e ethnic cleansing Troops in Cyprus "to protect the Turkish minority". Any solution must be focused on punishing the INDIVIDUALS who have committed atrocities whether they a Greek Turkish Armenian or Martian the solution must then REMEDY the war crimes committed against ALL innocent civilians.

Beleee- DATTT!!!!

[bakala]

Soory Agios
but its obvious you dont seek any solution, while you are too excited and fired up
you are driven by revenge. you wont settle for anything less that your pound of flesh and you dont care if it kills the patient

Any discusions for a solution cannot continualy start and end with the occupation and who stole whos land,
it is getting us nowhere. and it bores people .

Come up with a stage by stage plan that will give a lasting solution, If you truly are a cypriot i am very interested in your point of view, i have previously stated Agios that i have nothing but the greatest respect for the common ordinary Cypriot, thats why i am choosing to go and live with them,

In your plan try to stand with one foot either side of the border, dont try to obtain the impossible, only what can be achieved and would be acceptable to both sides

i will keep an eye on he board for your plan ..

[twinkle]

I don't agree with two federal states. Cyprus is one country. If it is allowed to have 2 states then it will just give out a negative example and countries will be invading other countries at the drop of a hat. The TC want the Turks out of Cyprus. It's just that Turkey is a military controlled country and the politicians are merely puppets for the generals.

Hasn't anyone realised yet that the Turkish Government is dragging this out for years. If they allow it to drag on any longer, people will soon forget what actually happened and the Turks will deny it like the Armenian genocide.

As for name calling, don't allow this forum to fall into a bickering match.

[bakala]

BG Turk
you are right
the solution cannot be found in the past only in the future
only the problem and the way not to do it lies in the past ,
we all need to look forward not back .
only use the past as an example of what wont work .

[bakala]

Hi there Nice twinkle
please come up with your own stage by stage plan im interested to see yours
include stuff that must be done
and stuff you would like to be done
try not to include the impossible

[bakala]

Cyprus today is heading towards two seperate but dependant states bound by identity and a common wish to live in peace.
you only have to look at Northern Ireland today. the " civil war " between north and south has raged since before the spanish Armada days, the setting up and agreement on the seperation of north and south is working, because finaly after so many years the extremists and the demands of the extremists have been removed from the negotiating arena,

The Turkish Cypriots dont trust the Grek cypriots to Govern them , and the Greek Cypriots dont trust the Turkish Cypriots to govern them,