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[Piratis]

If this rumor was about Papadopoulos, Bananiot and some others would have accepted it right away and they wouldn't believe Papadopoulos no matter what he said.

I don't know if Talat did it or not, but if I was following the same formula that you use for Papadopoulos then I should say:

"We all know who Talat is. He can't hide behind lies." ... and then start a new thread with the title "Did you know that..." and fill it up with lies and empty accusations.

[metecyp]

I read an interview by Talat in a GC newspaper last Sunday. His makes a mockery of the claim by an obscure GC that he was involved in torturing GC's in 1974. Talat claims he was not even in Cyprus at the time and that he only came to Cyprus one month later to do his military service. As yet, nobody has questioned Talat's claim since Sunday. The haste to adopt such wild claims leaves much to be desired. Wishfull thinking, I presume.

It should be easy to verify whether he was or was not in Cyprus so I don't think he can lie about something so easy to identify. I just hoped that people on this forum did not jump to conclusions without proofs.

If this rumor was about Papadopoulos, Bananiot and some others would have accepted it right away and they wouldn't believe Papadopoulos no matter what he said.

I agree that if some rumor like this surfaced about Papadopoulos it would be more believable. That's simply due to his past. He was the second man in EOKA. I'm not the one claiming this, it's Makarios Drusiotis, a GC journalist.

[Bananiot]

Papadopoulos has been in politics since the late 50's. He is a well known entity. He has written counless articles and therefore he is easy to judge. For example, in a recent interview in an arab language newspaper he claimed that not one turkish cypriot was killed from 1963 to 1974. Because he knows better, I can only label him a liar.

Just like to remind all the oath he took as the vice president of Akritas plan.

I HEREBY DO SOLEMNY SWEAR

To believe in ONE and undivisible country

Obedience to the constitution of my organisation

Obedience to my superior

To defend faithfully our flag (greek) which I will never part

To continuously endeavour for ENOSIS with mother Greece and to shed my last drop of blood for this cause if Ihave to
(Taken from Spyros Papageorgiou "From Zurich to Attila" Volume I, page 195)

I would also like to remind users of the acts of our government prior to April 24.

In a letter, the government informed state employees that they would be moved to the federal services and its not secured that they would continue to receive the same salary.

The employees of the Central Bank recieved a letter informing them that their professional future could not be guaranteed.

Officers and members of the police force also recieved a letter in which they read that "efforts are being made to safeguard your salaries and benefits".

The 4 000 profesional soldiers were told that the A plan left them dangling in uncertainty.

The thousands of people that make their living in the tourist industry were told by the Minister of tourism that tourism would collapse because of the solution.

The director of the Central Bank informed all GC's that the economy would collapse in viwe of the solution.

The letter that all civil servants got from the Attourney General informed them that everything would collapse, the Republic of Cyprus would collapse and that the "yes" vote ignored our history.

The Minister responsible for work informed all that the social security plan would collapse if it incorporated the TC's. This would automatically meant loss of pensions.

Piratis thinks all the above are unsubstantiated lies. I beleive that what is true is also for the national interests.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

Are you in favour of accepting the plan as is?

If yes, on what basis do you accept it?

If no, then what changes would you like to see in this plan?

Instead on concentrating on the personalities involved and continuously questioning the integrity of leaders why don't you actually tell me (us) what your position is regarding the plan and where we should go from here?

It is sooo easy to point accusing fingers and to apportion blame and that is all you seem to do.

[Bananiot]

Accepting the plan as is, is another ploy employed by Papadopoulos when he wants to attack his political opponents. As is, the plan is dead and buried. It was rejected by a landslide. Akel, commanding almost 35% of the vote, said the plan offered the basis for a good and comprehensive solution provided certain changes are made regarding the security aspect and ways to implement it. Many voters from other parties, especially DISI, who rejected it in April, are ready to accept it in a new referendum, provided these changes are incorporated into the plan. Also, things have moved on since last April. More aspects of the plan may need to be discussed and some of these aspects may not be in our favour. Do not forget, the other side has interests too.

Papadopoulos does not want to hear about the plan. You said it yourself and I agreed with you. He wants the TC's to return to the RoC. This isn't just wishfull thinking but it's also dangerous because the more we delay the closer we get to partition. Since Papadopoulos is not stupid, I conclude that he prefers partition rather than any plan (does not matter how good it is) that bases the solution on bizonal, bicommunal federation. To me its plain obvious and I know many people who openly say this and I respect their view even if I disagree with it totally. At least they are honest about it.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

I wasn't asking about what Papadopoulos may think or may want.

I am asking YOU what YOU think and what YOU want.

Pointing fingers and blaming others, an unfortunate Cypriot trait, does not actually tell me what YOU want.

I am asking YOU what YOU think is the way forward.

I think that is a simple enough question isn't it?

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

After re-reading your post, I can conclude that you would accept the plan as is as long as the 'guarantees' asked for by AKEL were implemented?

[brother]

If unity is our aim then a few changes to smooth the community fears are all that is required, IS THAT SO BAD WHEN THE PRIZE IS PEACE.

[Bananiot]

I voted for the solution in April. I voted for the A plan as it was. I am not dogmatic to believe that the same plan can be the object of a repeat referendum. Changes need to be made, which do not alter the phylosophy of the plan. Remember, the plan must be accepted by both communities. Also, if we really want peace and prosperity, we must realise that there is no other plan on the table. I believe the window of opportunity is fast closing. If by December we do not get another crack at the solution, I am afraid we would be losing the game, for ever. Cyprus will be divided for good and this is my only worry. However, many think that partition is a blessing in desguise. I wish, they would say this openly and frankly, so that the people know what is at stake.

[MicAtCyp]

Where did you hear that Talat tortured captives?

I read it in Politis newspaper about a month ago.And because I read it in this specific newspaper (No 1 oposer of Papadopoulos) it meant something.
Now whether Talat was in Cyprus in 1974 or in Turkey, the only way to learn the truth is to apply to the Embassy of Turkey itself. There is an ambassador there called Bananiot, he can assure you that in 1974 Talat was in Turkey!