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[mehmet]

Let me rephrase, we can't trust Papadopoulos because of his past. And yes, yesterdays terrorist is todays freedom fighter and tomorrows leader but Papadopoulos is not Nelson Mandela. If he were he would understand his resonsibility to reassure Turkish Cypriots and work harder to fight for a united Cyprus.

A just solution will come from all guilty parties, you didn't answer my point about the share of the responsibility of Greece and RoC for the division of Cyprus. Putting a few people in jail after 1974 shouldn't clear Greeks and Greek Cypriots from their share. If you expect for Turkish Cypriots to think only Turkey is responsible for division you have a long wait.

[insan]

The the TC's can't trust the GC's because of their past, yet the TC's don't look at their own leaders who are just as bad!

Who are those TCs btw?

We all know who supports whom!

It's a well known fact that Denktash and Eroglu kicked in their asses in current elections and referanda. I hope they will be kicked in their asses once more in next coming elections, soon.


And I don't think Talat and Akinci are compareable with T-Pap. Though as I said in many of my previous posts, none of the Cypriot politicians are capable to draw an effective revolutionary line in order to solve the problem.



Put Denktash, Eroglu, Klerides, T-Pap in one basket; and put Christofias and Talat, Akinci into another one.


We all know that right wingers of Cyprus committed more crimes and have more responsibilities regarding the facts of the last 4 decades which caused majority of both communities to suffer.

[Bananiot]

During a TV programme, some days ago, in Sigma TV, one of the most right wing, chauvinist and racist institution in Cyprus, someone came on the air to claim that Talat tortured GC's during the war on a specific day. Too bad, Talat wasn't even in Cyprus on that particular day. He came to Cyprus one month later to do his military service, as he explained. Crooks of all sorts would be delighted if the lie about Talat was indeed the truth. In fact, some are already talking as if the allegation was true and have begun building arguments on it.

If we GC's cannot see eye to eye with the moderate TC leaders of the calibre of Talat and Akinci then we have a huge problem. These are the leaders who performed a miracle in sidestepping Denktash and throwing him to the margin of political life. Little did they know that we would resurrect a new Denktash on our side. Papadopoulos is our Denktash, only he lacks the clout to formulate a meaningful policy that will lead towards the implementation of his vision. In other words, he is not taken seriously any more by the big players and he is not trusted either. He is only interested in scoring points at home and stirring up passion between the "yes" and "no" voters. Cyprus has never known another person like him since the days of the late Kyprianou.

Insan, do not rest any hopes on Christofias. He has submitted his soul totally to the will of Papadopoulos. If he goes against him he should commit harakiri, because he made this frankestein. He is a true stalinist. He will never admit that it was a mistake to support Papadopoulos. Its a tragic situation. We are in a horrible spiral and fast going down but the worse thing is that very few people are now interested in a solution that will block partition. Papadopoulos with the help of Christofias has managed to convince GC's that partition is better.

[Piratis]

Let me rephrase, we can't trust Papadopoulos because of his past.

So the problem with Papadopoulos is his past? Would you trust anybody that asked for democracy, human rights and independence for Cyprus? Or the only ones that you can trust are those that are willing to accept what you demand?

I have no such past. You know my positions. Would you trust me? Is it really a matter of "past"?

These are the leaders who performed a miracle in sidestepping Denktash and throwing him to the margin of political life.

Only naive people believe in miracles. You are naive if you believe that is Talat that threw Denctash in the margin. Who did this is Turkey and her partners because they decided that Talat fits their needs better now. I remind you that until yesterday and according to their "constitution" the "president" is the leader. Suddenly the "prime minister" became the leader. Their leader is whomever Turkey decides is their leader - plain and simple, no miracle.

[mehmet]

Not just the past. Only recently he claims to rewrite history to deny sufferings of Turkish Cypriots. That was this year. I he wasn't in power he would be regarded as an old fool but he is in a position of power and therefore he has responsibility. He never makes an effort to convince Turkish Cypriots that he is interested in their fate, and his government does everything possible to marginalise Turkish Cypriots and prevent the condition of Turkish Cypriots (whether in the north or the south) inproving. So no, it is not just the past.

You have no such past, I know and understand your position, and I would respect anyone who convinces me that they have my human rights in mind. I don't believe you personally would do anything harmful. The problem is the climate in Cyprus is poisoned. We can't even debate on this forum without words like traitor being used. This is part of the difficulty in resolving problem. It is not a mature nor democratic way of behaving.

[brother]

i have done a lot of business in my time and still do but for all my efforts i am not well off, why you may ask, because to this day i only choose todo business with honest people not crooks hence when i walk down the road i do not look over my shoulder and when i go to bed at nights i sleep well knowing that i have noone with a grudge looking for me.

Now can tassos say that the answer is 'no'.

Why do i not trust him well this man made a statement that no tc were ever killed in the conflicts, to this i say either he is a liar, lunatic or both.

Also this is the man who likes to have secret meetings and then cover them up and also to date keep secret the contents of these meetings.

All this is present history not past, and if we did go into the past then well there is a lot to be said there too.

SO UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES DO I TRUST THIS PERSON.

[Bananiot]

The TC's are damned right not to trust Papadopoulos. In fact, he was not trusted by the vast majority of the GC's, until Christofias took his out of the naphthalene and presented him to the Akelites as our saviour. He even cried that "the man has changed" when asked to explain why AKEL chose a man who was well known for his nationalism and chauvinism. Because of Papadopoulos the south is in the eye of the nationalist cyclone and chauvinistic sentiment was never recorded so high. How can Christofias sleep at night?

[MicAtCyp]

Put Denktash, Eroglu, Klerides, T-Pap in one basket; and put Christofias and Talat, Akinci into another one.

Hmmm OK Akkinci and Christofias on another basket but after I heard what Talat was doing to captive people in 1974, I started thinking he is no different.

[metecyp]

Hmmm OK Akkinci and Christofias on another basket but after I heard what Talat was doing to captive people in 1974, I started thinking he is no different.

Where did you hear that Talat tortured captives? I remember reading on this forum (i think Bananiot said it) that Talat was not even in the island during the events. And now you sound absolutely sure that this happenned. We have to get to the bottom of this, it either happenned or not. I don't like to talk on assumptions.

[Bananiot]

I read an interview by Talat in a GC newspaper last Sunday. His makes a mockery of the claim by an obscure GC that he was involved in torturing GC's in 1974. Talat claims he was not even in Cyprus at the time and that he only came to Cyprus one month later to do his military service. As yet, nobody has questioned Talat's claim since Sunday. The haste to adopt such wild claims leaves much to be desired. Wishfull thinking, I presume.