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[antonis]

The best way is to have a system that has little chance of being deadlocked. Period!

Actually the only way to avoid taking serious government issues to the supreme/constitutional court is to make sure that at an earlier stage the chances of this happening are minimized. The clever way the presidential council would be chosen offers some reassurance for this, but because of the complexity of the whole Annan plan it is easy for someone to advocate otherwise, by constructing a worst-case deadlock scenario... and then it is hard to argue otherwise. And that is because the true deadlock-avoidance guarantee is good will and trust from both sides, that such a person many times lacks. Without these ingredients, even the most carefully constructed plan is doomed to fail.

[Piratis]

And that is because the true deadlock-avoidance guarantee is good will and trust

It would be great to have good will and trust, but the system should be one to promote this good will and not one that will encourage dead-locks.

In the early 1960's for example the TCs were constantly using their veto power and budgets didn't pass from the parliament as a "retaliation" because they claimed TCs governmental employees were not the 30% as agreed.

So we need good will but we need a very good agreement as well. As the saying goes: "Good agreements make the good friends". If the agreement is not good and fair, goodwill alone is not going to be enough to prevent the disaster.

[mehmet]

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The UK's laws can be determined by EU. That is the point I am making. You will realise the power of the EU judges for yourself in due time if you haven't done already.

[-mikkie2-]

Well Mehmet, Turkey is at the receiving end of the judges of the EU. That hasn't forced Turkey to do much in Cyprus!

[mehmet]

Being outside and inside are two different things. Even so are you unaware of the changes in Turkish laws in the last few years just so it can be looked on more favourably? Turkey participated in negotiations that resulted in Annan Plan. They fulfilled their side of the bargain and it was Papadopoulos who is considered the cheat in EU circles. I wont make predictions but we shall see for ourselves what happens in the future. My point is still that being in EU means you can't do what you like in your own country. You wait and see, it's not all bags of gold, there are responsibilities to being in the EU also.

[MicAtCyp]

The Anan Plan was a setup.Ertogan made statements after visiting the US that he could not keep unless he had assurances about the outcome.Gul on the other hand was threatening that Turkey is not oblidged to accept any outcome if it does not satisfy them. And finally the Plan should presumably be approved by the Generals in Turkey (only after the EU would make it its primary law i.e NEVER)
The Cyprus Government should go ahead and expose all those who manufactured this setup. You name them De-Soto, Verhoigen, and the Bush administration. As long as they dont, everybody can claim that Turkey worked for the solution and done her duty "imish".

And another thing: Give the Plan to any constitution expert to read it. He will tell you this is a work of a schizophrenic.

[brother]

O.K then why is it then that tassos has come up with nothing at all since then, you all seem to know what a bad plan is then show us a good plan.

You see that is hard as well because tc do NOT TRUST TASSOS, wee know about him and his EOKA past, what i find very worrying is that most gc know that too, and he still got elected.

[MicAtCyp]

Klerides was in Eoka.Makarios was in Eoka. Everybody was in Eoka.
Denktash was in TMT. Eroglu and Kutchuk were in the TMT.
Talat was torturing GC civilian and captive soldiers in 1974!
Everybody was IN!
Talat and Akkinci brought in proportionately the greatest number of settlers giving them citizenship the few months your oposition was in power back in 1985(?)!!
Everybody is a crook!
What these crooks are dealing with is INTERESTS. Don't be mislead. Our interests Vs your interests.
Papadopoulos predicted correctly that Talat is consumable. From one December to another!
Why should he negotiate with someone who obviously was a consumable puppet? Why should he reveal our negotiating points to anyone when there is NOBODY to negotiate with?
Papadopoulos said (remains to be seen if he predicted correctly) that the right time to negotiate iis in Mid 2005. And that he will negotiate directly with Turkey.

As for what the average GC wants we said it a hundred times in this forum. Their properties BACK in FULL (no compensation from their own pockets), as few settlers as possible (preferably ZERO),and 100% security from another Turkish "peace operation". Then we may add other issues like workable state, economic viability, political rights etc etc

[MicAtCyp]

Brother you are in the bussiness field. Tell me quite honestly what was your most profitable deal so far. Wasn't it with a known crook? Why did it succeed? Isn't it because you knew all along who he was?

[-mikkie2-]

Thats what gets me about all this argument in this forum.

The the TC's can't trust the GC's because of their past, yet the TC's don't look at their own leaders who are just as bad!

I fear that all the TC's want to do is to get out of a hole they created regarding properties etc so that they don't have to pay for a future solution. We will end up paying off our own backs whilst Turkey gets away with what she has done.