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[Alexis]

Still incorrect, and your point is rendered irrelevant.

to say more than 3,000 years is clearly not an indication of...3,000 and beyond till infinity and the end of the universe and Newton's and Einstein's laws as we know it.
No, I'm afraid the inference is that the time span is 3,000 years or a little way past this, but not an incredible amount more. Otherwise, why provide the figure of 3,000 years.

Go back to school, and don't leave until you get what is called a 'qualification'.

So you avoid the point of contention by attacking the other person's inference. Very clever, but no dice. Your original assertion was that Piratis' statement implies there is a cap of 3000 years beyond which Cypriots stop talking Greek. I pointed out your (obvious) mis-interpretation and so you attack mine instead. That's all well and good, and perhaps my interpretation is incorrect but that does not hide the fact that yours also is incorrect.

Ok, so what you're saying is, from the statement:

In Cyprus we speak Greek for more than 3000 years

It's ok to infer that Cypriots stop speaking Greek after 3000 years has elapsed, but that it's not ok to infer that Cypriots speak Greek for over 3000 years and that moreover we don't know when they stop speaking Greek, i.e. the exact opposite of your argument?
Clearly your argument makes no logical sense whatsoever.

[Piratis]

Alexis there is no need to waste your time with pumpernickle. I will not. Just take a look at this: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=63706#63706

Back on topic. Greek and Turkish Cypriots have some differences but those differences enrich our island and should not be used as an excuse for conflict and discrimination. I think it is a Benetton ad that said "All different all equal". This should be the case for Cypriot citizens.

I will not accept any kind of discriminations against me because of my race, and I will never ask for any kind of discrimination against anybody because of his race. All Cypriots should do the same. Only in this way we will defeat the ones that are trying to exploit our differences for their own benefit.

[Pasha]

Back on topic. Greek and Turkish Cypriots have some differences but those differences enrich our island and should not be used as an excuse for conflict and discrimination. I think it is a Benetton ad that said "All different all equal". This should be the case for Cypriot citizens.

I will not accept any kind of discriminations against me because of my race, and I will never ask for any kind of discrimination against anybody because of his race. All Cypriots should do the same. Only in this way we will defeat the ones that are trying to exploit our differences for their own benefit.

Hahaha it seems we agree for once.

[andri_cy]

not to mention that language was not a difference beore 1974.

to be honest , i am studying in germany, and i believe that i can much easier get along with a turk, or a tcs than with a german. even our stuborness is the same

uhhhh as far as I know since I was born in a town that before 1974 was full of both greek and turkish cypriots, language was always different.... Thats the way my 85 year old grandma says it anyways.

[andri_cy]

Alexis there is no need to waste your time with pumpernickle. I will not. Just take a look at this: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=63706#63706

Back on topic. Greek and Turkish Cypriots have some differences but those differences enrich our island and should not be used as an excuse for conflict and discrimination. I think it is a Benetton ad that said "All different all equal". This should be the case for Cypriot citizens.

I will not accept any kind of discriminations against me because of my race, and I will never ask for any kind of discrimination against anybody because of his race. All Cypriots should do the same. Only in this way we will defeat the ones that are trying to exploit our differences for their own benefit.

and yes religion and language being the biggest differences and religion is so tightly connected to culture, I have always heard nothing but good things about Turkish Cypriots from before 1974. My family had a lot of turkish cypriots friends and co-workers that were very sad to have to leave the southern part of cyprus. We have to admit that a lot of them lost their homes too. The turkish Cypriots didnt come and occupy Cyprus the Turks from Turkey did.

[cypezokyli]

not to mention that language was not a difference beore 1974.

to be honest , i am studying in germany, and i believe that i can much easier get along with a turk, or a tcs than with a german. even our stuborness is the same

uhhhh as far as I know since I was born in a town that before 1974 was full of both greek and turkish cypriots, language was always different.... Thats the way my 85 year old grandma says it anyways.

perhaps i was not clear.
the language was ofcource different, but it wasnot a barrier. a number of people could speak both, or a mixture. thats what i am trying to say.

i ve heard stories that due to our nationalism we didnot accept tcs in our schools.
i ve heard stories that due to the tc nationalism, people were not allowed to speak greek.
my point is - people DID communicate. i dont know how i can put it otherwise. and i believe as i asked the question 3 times times by now (and i got no answer), that during the ottoman empire: a christian cypriot could easier communicate with a muslim cypriot , than with a christian living in north turkey.

they communicated. they spoke to each other - and they didnot do that in english.
its even, in our national poem - if anyone bothered to read it.

[Michael]

Incorrect.

The moderator has used th Present Simple tense. Which means that he is saying greeks generally as a matter of course, speak greek for 3,000 years....thus implying that after the 3,000 years is done, the greeks will presumably stop speaking bubble and start waffling in some other inane langauge no one can understand.

all the while, Greeks from Greece will be saying: "well i couldnt fackin understand what they were saying before, never mind now, the peasants."

You obviously did not read Piratis' mail carefully.
Try once more:

In Cyprus we speak Greek for more than 3000 years

You will spot the words: 'more than', implying that the Cypriots speak Greek for more than 3000 with no explicit indication of when or whether they will stop doing so. So while Piratis' has made the mistake of using the 'Present Simple tense' as you put it, your interpretation is incorrect.

Still incorrect, and your point is rendered irrelevant.

to say more than 3,000 years is clearly not an indication of...3,000 and beyond till infinity and the end of the universe and Newton's and Einstein's laws as we know it.
No, I'm afraid the inference is that the time span is 3,000 years or a little way past this, but not an incredible amount more. Otherwise, why provide the figure of 3,000 years.

Go back to school, and don't leave until you get what is called a 'qualification'.

On the subject of qualifications, what was your alma mater? Didn’t you graduate from the Julian Clary School of Mincers with not so much an Oxford Blue but a Bournemouth Pink? No humble background was going to impede your rise in the glam world of drag. So you packed your handbag and off to the Camilla Parker Bowles College of Transvestites and Drag Queens. Years of ill fitting outfits from the local charity shop and nylon wigs finally paid off, a Brighton Pink! But alas, success in the heady world of the south coast drag word requires more than just a “pretty face”. Sadly you didn’t even posses that, as the audience cruelly taunted you “Oh poof was you in a car crash”.
So to cut a long story short; you were crap, but a rep from the Turkish Tourist Board took a little fancy to you, and now you have ended up here. Obviously Turks are more receptive to your charms. Nudge, wink, wink.

[Simon]

1. there is a reason why greece signed not to demand instabul back.
2. yesterday i thought you posted sth with some sense. today you are back with the same things all over again.

who was the one that said yesterday in another thread ?

Quote:
I do not believe that all refugees can or would even want to return.


why would that be ?
why are YOU putting a limit on what we can demand?
why are YOU putting a limit on the human rights of some refugges?

and then YOU say

Quote:
in the words of one GC who you have named above, there is a limit to what we can demand because we lost a war.



paradox ?


3. i have never said "till the tide turns". that is for those who wait for the balance of power to change. my point of view is that WE turn the tide, by sitting on the negotiating table.

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Are you serious? And I don't make sense. I can't believe what I have to respond to sometimes.

1) You are talking about a COMPLETELY different situation with Greece and Istanbul. Can you explain the correlation between Greece giving up its claim on Istanbul, which we have not had for hundreds of years and where hardly any Greeks now live, and Greek Cypriots demanding their human rights and homes in Cyprus?

When I said that I did not believe that all refugees would want to or could return, I am giving an opinion. I don't think every single one will be able to get the exact same house/property back. But that does not mean every single one should not try if that is what they want to do. Those who do not get the same property back can get another property close by or substantial compensation, whichever they choose. If every single one can get their same property back then great, so let everyone try. This is what I proposed, so how am I limiting what anyone can claim? There is no paradox there, ONLY THE ONE INVENTED IN YOUR MIND.

I have said, sitting around the negotiating table is what I want. The last bit I was being ironic if you didn't read the end. I was being ironic because of what ridiculous things are said by people like you.

Lastly, BG Turk, it is amazing, because exactly what you accuse me of, is what you do. Talk about hypocrisy.

[Maria28]

Thanks for your opinions! But can some of you stick to the topic please?

How about family? Is a Turkish Cypriot family similar to a Greek Cypriot one? For example Greek Cypriots might stay with their parents until they are 30!! and then their parents feel responsible to buy them a house. Is this the way with Turkish Cypriots?

[MR-from-NG]

For example Greek Cypriots might stay with their parents until they are 30!! and then their parents feel responsible to buy them a house. Is this the way with Turkish Cypriots?
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I am surprised you know so little about your neighbours Maria. Of course this is typical of TC's. I bought my daughter her house 3 years ago. My son is going to Harvard, he will have a house waiting for him when he graduates in 3 years time. This isn't something unique to me, this is common to all TC's.