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[-mikkie2-]

Its not about us (GC's) having the power. It is about all Cypriots having control of their own future, not for others to decide it for us.

Dissolve the RoC and we will be in hands of others from then on. That is why Papadopoulos is willing to defend it.

If you think about this logically without adding emotive issues, you will come to the same conclusion!

[metecyp]

Dissolve the RoC and we will be in hands of others from then on. That is why Papadopoulos is willing to defend it.

So whatever TCs and GCs agree on, it has to be continuation of the RoC? A new structure means control by others? How's that so? What's so unique about the RoC that makes it immune to others and why a new federal structure cannot have that immunity? I don't get it.

[Bananiot]

This is the tyranny of words I talked about before my friends. We have been slaves of words right from the word go. The latest craze in our part of Cyprus is seeing enemies everywhere who want to destroy Cyprus. They include the most powerful nations on earth. Does anyone think that if these countries wanted to destroy us we would still be around? Of course, when you have so many and powerful foes, you need heroes, to fend them off. Papadopoulos likes to play the part of a hero, only we call them ethnarchs in this part of the world. Against all odds he fights on, following a lonesome furrow that leads to glory.

Lets be serious my friends. The strategy of Papadopoulos will soon be tested. I put it to you he will achieve nothing. Turkey will get her date, without having to withdraw a single soldier, because the cyprus issue has been dissociated from Turkey's european path. After December, Turkey will have absoluteley no reason to hurry to solve the issue and may be, I say may be, Turkey will just about start thinking about the cyprob only prior to her accession to the EE, in 15 or 20 years.

By then, there will be no issue to be solved. The permanent partition of our country would be done and sealed. Papadopoulos knows this but he prefers this to any agreed solution for a bizonal, bicommunal federation. He has written on this many times, its no secret. I will never get tired of pressing this point home, even if some users are tired of reading this and dream of a european solution which of course will never come but nobodies reminds Papadopoulos of this promise he made prior to the referendum.

[mehmet]

Bananiot, I fear you are right about the lost opportunity this April. The balance between Turkish Cypriots and the newcomers is working against Greek Cypriot interests. Thanks to successful isolation strategy and since there is no realistic possibility of solution Turksih Cypriots will do what they have been doing since the 1950s. That is to leave Cyprus to anywhere (even Turkey) they can make a living. The nationalists on the Greek Cypriots may be pleased about finally getting rid of us but the reality is that we are more willing to resolve the problems of Cyprus than the people who will stay in TRNC. If in the end Turkey is in EU perhaps it wont matter anyway but by then the Greek Cypriot refugees will have been separated from their land and homes as long as the Palestininas living outside the state of Israel have been from theirs. Events in TRNC with fall of Government are also working agaisnt prospects for solution. You didn't like Talat? Here Eroglu once again, and what next, Denktas junior for the next thirty years?

[Piratis]

A lost opportunity is when you have 10 they offer you 20 and you reject the offer because you hope that you will get 30 in the future.

In April this is not what happened. What happened is that we had 10 and they offered us 5. How can an offer that is worst than what we have now be considered a lost opportunity?

Even if everything fails, even if "trnc" gets recognized etc, I would never consider that in April we lost some kind of opportunity, because it was not.

[-mikkie2-]

So, the TC's are the victims again.

We are all victims.

However, April is not the last opportunity.

The next 2 months will dictate what will happen. Turkey is in denial about the responsibilities it now has regarding her EU course. She says that Cyprus is not a condition for starting negotiations next year. But how can she if she does not recognise RoC? They HAVE to negotiate with us. There is no way out of that.

I expect some big changes to be happening in December.

[Bananiot]

April was a lost opportunity. Among others Simitis said it. We allowed, he said, history to by pass us. The plan was daemonised by the nationalists and the nationalist-socialists of the south. We talked about this many times. Turkey, as a result, has been absolved of her responsibilities. Even Greece agrees with this. Recognizing Cyprus is no big deal. In effect she will recognize the south, because this is what remains of the RoC. My frustration is with those that have no problem with this. They include the President and a bunch of criminals who are responsible for our predicament. The rest are just mislead people who are fed with stories (European solution etc) which they duly believe. I think in December they will wake from their litharge.

[Piratis]

April was a lost opportunity. Among others Simitis said it.

This just shows how little arguments you have. Your "proof" that it was a lost opportunity is: "Simitis said it".

A recent poll showed that only 5% changed their mind about what they voted in April. The ones that think that April was a lost opportunity are those that voted "yes", like you. This was the case in April, this is the case now, and this will be the case in December. This is because, as I said many times, the Annan plan was not a solution. It was a trick to help the interests of Turkey/UK/US on the expense of Greek Cypriots.

In effect she will recognize the south, because this is what remains of the RoC.

Wrong. RoC is the whole Cyprus. They will recognize a state, that under all international laws, the EU, UN etc, is the only state in Cyprus.

[mehmet]

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Time will tell whether it was a lost opportunity. It may not be the last opportunity but you are gambling with the future, which you can't predict. Makarios did the same with the Zurich and London Agreement's and ultimately he died seeing Cyprus partitioned.

[Piratis]

Mehmet, if somebody offers you to let him kill you, and you reject his offer, could this ever be a lost opportunity for you? Even if you die the week after anyways, his offer could never be considered as an opportunity, right? (except if you want to die as fast as possible)

The Annan plan was worst than "standard" partition, because except from partitioning the island officially, it also destroyed our economy, and it would bring the end of democracy in Cyprus.

Maybe this plan was a lost opportunity for some that would gain from it, but this does not include the great majority of Greek Cypriots.