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[bakala]

Personaly i dont blame any of the troubles of 1974 on any Cypriot greek or turkish
lets not forget that greek cypriots and turkish Cypriots have been born for generations on the island they should be refered to as Cypriots not greek or turkish, but we all do it
it all started because some power hungry politition in greece wanted to score a few more election points by taking over an island they had no right to take over
remember Galitari the Argentinian president who decided the way to maintain his power during his countries election year was to invade the Falklands,

Boy did he get that one wrong

[Piratis]

Piratis
If i insisted on only buying land that previously belonged to someone who now had accepted an exchange of land in the south, would that be ok ?

balaka, this "exchange of land" never happened. This is how the Turks call all properties that belong to Greek Cypriots because do not want to call them stolen land. Saying to you "here we have some nice cheap stolen land for you" would be bad marketing. Didn't you ever wonder why the truly TC land costs twice as much?

So what would be ok is
1) Go to any part of the planet apart from the occupied areas of our country
2) Pay more money and make sure what you are buying is a TC land. (title deed should be pre 1974 showing the TC as the owner)

[Piratis]

I thought that in 1974 the whole Cyprus problem got to boiling point when the greek government sneaked 20.000 soldiers into the south and started rounding up the Turkish Cypriots into ghettos or am i wrong ?

When the despicable Turkish Cypriots refused to just lie down and die the Greek soldiers assisted by the Greek Cypriot militia started killing them and displacing them from thier homes. all this happend PRIOR to the turkish troops landing on the island. or am i wrong ?

The Unted nations ordered the greeks to withdraw thier troops from Cyprus and they refused or am i wrong ?

Only when the greek military forces aided by the greek militia reached the northeren mountain range overlooking Kyrenia with the Turkish Cypriot refugess on the brink of being swept into the sea did the first Turkish troops land on the beaches near karalaanalou or am i wrong ?

all the rest of the world including press reports of the day ( i remember it on TV ) report all this happend as a matter of historical fact
or am i wrong ?

As a matter of fact you are 100% wrong. Now there is no doubt from were you receive your "facts".

I am not going to give you a whole history lesson in this posts, I will just ask you to go read some more objective sources instead of what crap that the criminal estate agents in the occupied areas tell you to make you feel OK with your conscience about what you are about to do.

I will just tell you one thing: In 1974 the coupists were fighting against the Greek Cypriots that were loyal to the government. The coup had killed many GCs and they tried to kill our president.
No TC had been killed by the coup until AFTER the Turkish Invasion had started.
Turkey could of course use her power as a guarantor of Republic of Cyprus along with Britain to restore order in RoC. In fact just after the invasion the junta in Greece collapsed and civilian rule was resumed in Cyprus as well. Unfortunately the aim of Turks was not to restore order but to partition Cyprus, as it was their plan since the 50s. So they ignored all cease fire agreements at the UN and the continued to advance until they occupied more than 1/3rd of Cyprus.

The occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is 100% illegal. The same goes for the pseudo puppet state of "trnc". This is a very simple fact. Turks continue to use an excuse that ceased to exist 32 years ago to continue their illegalities and profit on the loss of Greek Cypriots.

[Piratis]

it all started because some power hungry politition in greece wanted to score a few more election points

In 1974 Greece was not run by politicians but by a CIA sponsored military junta. There were no elections since there was no democracy.

Please PLEASE, read some history first. Most of what you say is not even remotely related with reality.

It appears to me that you took a decision to go to the occupied areas motivated first and above all the cost of stolen Greek Cypriot land, and now you are trying to excuse your decision to yourself.

I will tell you what: If you already took your decision then you will hear and believe only what you want in order to justify your choice. Beyond that I will remind you a couple of facts:

1) The so called "trnc" is a legally invalid entity and can legalize nothing
2) The only legal state in Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus
3) "Buying" GC property in the occupied areas is a criminal offense.

[Viewpoint]

I thought that in 1974 the whole Cyprus problem got to boiling point when the greek government sneaked 20.000 soldiers into the south and started rounding up the Turkish Cypriots into ghettos or am i wrong ?

When the despicable Turkish Cypriots refused to just lie down and die the Greek soldiers assisted by the Greek Cypriot militia started killing them and displacing them from thier homes. all this happend PRIOR to the turkish troops landing on the island. or am i wrong ?

The Unted nations ordered the greeks to withdraw thier troops from Cyprus and they refused or am i wrong ?

Only when the greek military forces aided by the greek militia reached the northeren mountain range overlooking Kyrenia with the Turkish Cypriot refugess on the brink of being swept into the sea did the first Turkish troops land on the beaches near karalaanalou or am i wrong ?

all the rest of the world including press reports of the day ( i remember it on TV ) report all this happend as a matter of historical fact
or am i wrong ?

As a matter of fact you are 100% wrong. Now there is no doubt from were you receive your "facts".

I am not going to give you a whole history lesson in this posts, I will just ask you to go read some more objective sources instead of what crap that the criminal estate agents in the occupied areas tell you to make you feel OK with your conscience about what you are about to do.

I will just tell you one thing: In 1974 the coupists were fighting against the Greek Cypriots that were loyal to the government. The coup had killed many GCs and they tried to kill our president.
No TC had been killed by the coup until AFTER the Turkish Invasion had started.
Turkey could of course use her power as a guarantor of Republic of Cyprus along with Britain to restore order in RoC. In fact just after the invasion the junta in Greece collapsed and civilian rule was resumed in Cyprus as well. Unfortunately the aim of Turks was not to restore order but to partition Cyprus, as it was their plan since the 50s. So they ignored all cease fire agreements at the UN and the continued to advance until they occupied more than 1/3rd of Cyprus.

The occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is 100% illegal. The same goes for the pseudo puppet state of "trnc". This is a very simple fact. Turks continue to use an excuse that ceased to exist 32 years ago to continue their illegalities and profit on the loss of Greek Cypriots.

Have we resolved our problems?, the 1960 Constitution was a mess and TCs were living in ghettos, not only were they again economically isolated by GCs but they were under threat not only by EOKA militants but the Greek Coup which was why Turkey intervened to bring what we have today and have had for the last 32 years, the GCs call it cease fire we call it peace as no one is under personal threat or living in fear of being discriminated against in your own country as was previously the case.
If we ever resolve our problems and agree to unite then you can say order is restored but the latest attempt ended in big fat OXI=NO. The ball is definately in the GC court as they have to continually explain why they turned down a plan called a Comprehensive Solution to the Cyprus Problem and yet still want another plan which they may end up saying No to again. Now you can understand why no one reallys wants to act as intermediary for GCs, their track record leaves a lot to be desired.

[bakala]

first if you read my first post i did say i wouldnt buy any land the original owner didnt want me to have.
Secondly i did research for a long time on the Cyprus issue and unlike a lot of people who post silly comments i was alive and remeber the 74 conflict very vividly

i also had reletives serving with the british armed forces in cyprus at the time
this url will take anyone who doesent know the facts to a site that has a brief account of the 74 conflict , its cause and its conclusion
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/tango/tu ... us1974.htm

the attempted forcing of enosis with greece on an unwilling population and the subsequent murder of those who resisted was what forced Turkey into invading, Britain should have invaded with Turkey but didnt. so Turkey took the blame alone untill this day

[NeverSayGoodbye]

Why did we reject the plan with one big OXI is very simple ,,,just ask any costitutionist in the world if the Anan plan can function.

[bakala]

If the 74 coup had suceeded there wouldnt be a Cyprus problem today because there wouldnt be a Cyprus. it would have been ennexed as a part of greater Greece. those who were left on the island alive would have become greek. How many of the Cypriots of turkish origin do you think would have lived. NONE
The greek military backed coup failed only because Turkey invaded and the island stayed Cyprus and its people stayed Cypriots.
thats why i still state that some time in the future Cypriots north and south of the border will aknowledge the debt they owe the turks for at least saving the island of cyprus dissapearing into history as the new island of Cyprios formerly the island of cyprus
I have no doubt that the Turks would withdraw troops from Cyprus if the integrety of the island was gauranteed, who will gauranteee that, Britain?
Britain held guarantee at the time of 74 and stood by hoping the situation would resolve itself, If britain had invaded instead of Turkey no one in europe would have said a word and the last 30 years of arguing wouldnt have happend

[Viewpoint]

Why did we reject the plan with one big OXI is very simple ,,,just ask any costitutionist in the world if the Anan plan can function.

Did going into the EU have anything to do with it? holding out for more attitude? you made your own bed my friend now you have to lay in it. The Annan plan did not fall out of the sky onto our laps GCs took part in all the negotiations obviously not in good faith and with crocodile tears.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, if ethnic cleansing is the way for peace, then how about ethnically cleansing all the TCs for Cyprus and sending them to Turkey?
Then we would again have peace and we would even have a sea separating us which should be even more secure. What do you think?

Or you like ethnic cleansing as a solution only when the GCs are the ones who are ethnically cleansed and the TCs steal twice as much the amount of land that they left behind?

I have no doubt that the Turks would withdraw troops from Cyprus if the integrety of the island was gauranteed

Look Balaka, it is already clear whom you support here. Judging from the official policy of your country in Cyprus it is not surprise.

Turks and British have enslaved Cypriots for centuries and they didn't allow Cypriots to decide the destiny of their own future in a democratic way. They continue on doing the same thing against us.

I heard on news that China has increased her military budget by 15% this year. It will not be too long until the balance of power in the world will be shuffled. I know with which side we will be when this happens.