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[Piratis]

I would like to see the current RoC calling for the Turkish Cypriots to come elect their members of the parliament and the vice president. If a substantial number of people vote, then the results will be valid. From the percentage of the people who will vote, we will see if the TCs support this idea or not. Anything else is mere sepeculation.

And what will happen with the elections if only a minority of TCs (say 35%) votes? Would this minority of a minority elect a vice president with veto powers, while RoC will still have to "negotiate" a solution with Talad?

Also one more question: Do you think the TCs should receive something more than the 1960 agreements if the occupied areas are to be returned to RoC?

[sadik]

I don't know if there is such a clause in the constitution that says a certain percentage of the TCs need to vote. However I believe that the majority will be gained eventually. Until that time it may be reasonable to accept that the TCs will not use the veto power or some of the seats will stay empty. In this way, we will be certain that our communal rights will be preserved in the RoC.

Since we cannot force Turkey to withdraw, seperate negotiations will need to be held with Turkey. If all the Cypritos are on the same side, this will be much easier. Turkey's interests in Cyprus are seperate and are strategical in essence, like the American intersts in Iraq. Turkish Cypriots interests in Cyprus are the interests of a community living in its own country. We don't want a crisis, we don't want threats, we don't want a war at our home. Our interests are our political rights in Cyprus.

Even if TCs return to the RoC, this does not mean that RoC will not need restructuring. I still believe that introducing bizonality into the RoC is essential for a permanent solution. However, since bicommunality will be stronglly preserved in the RoC and Turkish Cypriots will start enjoying their rights even before a solution, this bizonality will not have to be strick as in the Annan plan. In any case, in a possible solution, the bi-communal RoC should consider the interests of the Turkish Cypriots as much as it considers the interests of the Greek Cypriots. The RoC needs to make sure that no social crisis will be created due to resettlement, no TCs (or GCs) will be left jobless or homeless and the transition will be as smooth as possible. This is the responsiblity of a true bi-communal government.

Now that there is a considerable number of Turkish Cypriots wanting to return to the RoC and transforming the RoC back to its bi-communal roots, we have a big opportunity for a real unification. I want to see the current RoC looking into the matter and making the return of the TCs to the RoC easier, not more difficult. I don't know if the GCs will accept this, because the problem started when the GCs tried to remove bi-communality from the RoC in the first place. In this case, we'll need to use the legal means.

My frustration is because of the following: It's almost like there is a secret agreement between the GC side and Turkey to freeze the Cyprus Problem for another 20 years, on the premise that Turkey will eventually become a EU memeber and submit the TC rights in Cyprus together with other things during this process. I say no to this big gamble!

[Kifeas]

My frustration is because of the following: It's almost like there is a secret agreement between the GC side and Turkey to freeze the Cyprus Problem for another 20 years, on the premise that Turkey will eventually become a EU memeber and submit the TC rights in Cyprus together with other things during this process. I say no to this big gamble!

No there is absolutely no such an understanding or acceptance by the G/C side that the solution to the Cyprus problem will have to be tight with Turkey's EU accession in the distant future. Quite the opposite! The assumption is that as early and as soon as it is permissible and feasible, the non-solution of the Cyprus problem should become an intolerable wound for Turkey to bear any longer, so that it takes the conscious decision to accept a solution that we can also accept, for the sake of getting reed of the problem. I believe we have such a potential for this to materialize in the very near future (1-2 years from now.) If it was a matter of consciously wanting to wait for another 10-20 years, we may as well agree for a partition from now, because anyway this (partition) will be the only solution we will be able to afford in 10-20 years, after all the G/C properties are looted completely and usurped and after the settlers will multiply by hundreds of thousands and have also completed 30-40 year in Cyprus.

[rolo]

Any sollution should be found sooner rather than later.
In 10-20 years there may be a doubling of settlers.
I have heard there are in excess of 5000 British settlers in nc now.
The longer the situation remains unresolved and property prices in the north remain relatively low, then more settlers will follow.
How will this then affect the standing of any British government on both the resolution issue and consequently with the British electorate, should any resolution unfavourable to British settlers be implemented?



Playing the waiting game will benefit nobody.

[bakala]

sorry to intrude in your debate but.
i am a UK citizen soon to move to North Cyprus. land prices at £30.000 per donum are now in line with Uk land prices so the purchase of land in the TRNC is no longer what i would call cheap. However what attracts so many Brits is the easy way of life. the lower cost of living. and the friendly and hospitable people. ( maybe cheap beer too )
the Speculators who are currntly selling land that they have aquired under the exchange system is ok provided that any future settlement does not penalise future owners of the land because the person selling it today didnt have the right to own or sell it.
the problem is a bit deeper than it appears because the TRNC goverment is involved in that sale directly by taxing it, the TRNC goverment is therefore legalising it. in other words if some future settlement penalises any future owner of that land it can only be because the original sale was illegal. in which case the guverment is guilty along with the original seller of making a profit from a sale of illegal land and the poor buyer who bought it in good faith is left to pay the compensation :

does this seem fair ?

[bakala]

Perhaps there should be antoher type of land available,
this new type would bre land that is exchange land that the original owners have legaly given up the title for in exchange for land gifted to them in the south.
that way the original dispossed owner has given up the land out of choice rather than been deprived of it .
does this seem a fairer to both sides method ?
I dont want to buy land in the north no matter how cheap it is or if the original owner doesent want me to have it and i dont care if he lives north or south of the border or he believes islam or christianity

[rolo]

BAKALA


you seem to have the jist of it.

but not the price mate.........if in England you can buy land at thirty k per plot, with ten months sunshine, planning permission, a stones throw from the sea, with mountain view, I'll take six tomorrow.

Otherwise youve hit the nail on the head, where no direct land swap has occured, then future setllers should be liable for compensation on land value. It still remains a very attrative proposition, when you consider a detached villa can sit on half a plot, and the comparative cost of living.

[bakala]

sorry Rolo i was only talking about land prices at 30k per donum being about equal to 90k per acre in the uk there is lots of land about at 90k per acre in the uk

as for the other things on the north coast, the sunshine, the place, the people well im sorry Riollo those are all beyond price and come free, thats why i move there in 3 weeks

[rolo]

bakala

bon voyage and pleasant stay.

[bakala]

When the school yard bully suddenly beats up the little guy and tries to steal all his marbles and the little guys big brother steps in and beats up the bully, i would say the bully got his due comeuppance,

now the schoolyard bully screams and cries that he didnt mean it. it never happend can i please have all the marbles now.
sorry you had your chance to rule the school yard fairly and buggered it up, now one half of the schoolyard is out of bounds to you
for schoolyard bully see Greece pre74