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[Michael]

the following note is a copy of a letter i sent to jack Starw and prime minister Blair prior to the Cyprus debate in the euro assembly a couple of months ago
jack straw is determined to end the isolation of the people of the TRNC as a first step in a long term solution
I ould like to think that my letter to him and mr Blair influenced that decision

the copy of my letter follows

I am sure it did. He filed in a very big drawer called a waste paper bin.

[bakala]

actualy Jack Straw answerd the letter and so did prime minister Blair,
i am sorry if the copy didnt come out exactly the way it was written in word i can assure you it looks much better visualy in word |Context
Mr Straws eforts to solve the Cyprus issue are well publicised.
His efforts are also well known to be influenced by public opinion, my own opinion was only one of many on this issue however my own opionion was the only one to use the bill of human rights article 15 to lend wieght to the argument ( his words not mine )
i must admit my previous employment within the government does give me an edge in communication
also all communications to the foriegn office no matter how small are kept on record for at least 10 years or a change of goverment ( this is a security requirement )
it is no secret that currently there is approximately 2 square miles of underground archives maintained by an army of administrators in the London area alone , they are archived by title author and subject and cross indexed on a computer system that guarantess retreval of any single document within minutes

Bakalas

[Michael]

As an American would quaintly put it , “Are you for real”

[NeverSayGoodbye]

Yeah we saw how the good old mighty USA treated New Orleans after the hurricane..

[Piratis]

Sadik there is only one TC community and therefore can be only one TC leadership. The power sharing in Cyprus was done between the GC community and the TC community. Not between GCs and TCs group 1, TC group 2, TCs group 3 etc. The privileges were given to the TC minority that made up the 18% of the population, not to a 1% TC minority (otherwise why wouldn't those privileges be given to the Armenians, Maronites etc). All TCs together were electing 1 leader who would be the vice president.

Those 78 people are just 78 people. Not the TC community. They wouldn't represent the TC community even if we said that they did. The EU, UN etc recognize Talad as the one who represents the TC community.

Therefore what we have to resolve first is if Talad and his gang are the true representatives of TCs or not. This is something that only the TCs can do. If the GCs take 10, 20, 78 TCs and say: "Here is the TC leadership" nobody will take us seriously. The TCs themselves have to decide who represents them.

If the TC community (and I am talking at least about the majority of TCs here, not 500 people) believes that what is recognized abroad as the leadership (Talat etc) does not represent the TC community, then they have to react to this and show the world that those are not their true leaders. If they could demonstrate about the "embargoes" I am sure they could demonstrate about this far more important issue as well. RoC would be more than willing to help in this direction of course.

Then when the TC leadership, the one recognized as such by the UN, EU etc (not 78 people), comes and declares officially that they are part of Republic of Cyprus and that they accept the 1960 constitution, and therefore that the problem in Cyprus is not at all a problem between 2 communities but a problem between Republic of Cyprus and a foreign country that occupies our common land, then obviously they can take back their rights and responsibilities according to the constitution.

Therefore all the TC community has to do in order to go back to the 1960 constitution is simply to ask for it!

However as you understand the Republic of Cyprus can not give to a group of people the kind of privileges that were designed for the TC community. Those privileges can be given to the TC community (and there is only one TC community).

If the majority of your community does not agree with you and they insist on their illegalities then you should blame them and try to change their opinion, not to blame us that we are also victims of their insistence on illegality.

Beyond that, and until the TC community accepts legality, RoC should treat law obeying Turkish Cypriots citizens in the same exact way as all other citizens are treated without any kind of discrimination. However RoC can not give the superprivilages of 1960 agreements to a group of people while the officially recognized TC leadership does not even recognize RoC.

Personally I would be very glad if the TC community returned to RoC. Then if Turkey continued her occupation, RoC could easily show that both TCs and GCs accept the RoC constitution and that Turkeys claims that the problem is one between the 2 communities would be proven as rubbish even easier. Then Turkey would not even have her lame excuse for continuing the illegal occupation.

What we have to do now is to convince the TC community that returning to RoC and legality is the only way forward. If those 78 people honestly support RoC and not "trnc" and the occupation, then they should be helped as much as possible by RoC in order to promote their ideas to the rest of Turkish Cypriots hoping that their ideas will be finally accepted by the majority of TCs which will in turn make the return of the TC community to RoC possible.

[Agios Amvrosios]

I think TUrkish Cypriots who wish to excersize there democratic rights must be allowed to- but do you see Talat extending his hand to any Greek Cypriots. We only get told" up yours" by erdogan

[cypezokyli]

it could be that talat extends hiw hand soon...but not unconditional

[cypezokyli]

levents aricle today :
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... columns&-p

the tcs can most prbably read the same in africa

[Piratis]

cypezokyli, the article from levent is very interesting.

Some comments on it:

Μπερδεύετε τον κατακτητή με αυτόν που βρίσκεται υπό κατοχή.
Translation:
You confuse the occupation force with the one who is under occupation (meaning the TCs)

Ούτως ή άλλως, τα δικαιώματά μας είχαν προ πολλού τύχει σφετερισμού από τον κατακτητή. Δεν μπορούμε να πάρουμε καμία απολύτως απόφαση εδώ με την ελεύθερή μας βούληση. Ο πληθυσμός που μεταφέρθηκε στα εδάφη μας από έξω έχει ξεπεράσει προ πολλού το δικό μας πληθυσμό. Η διοίκηση- μαριονέτα που ίδρυσε εδώ ο κατακτητής μπορεί να τα εγκρίνει όλα αυτά. Αλλά, υπάρχει και ένα σημαντικό τμήμα της κοινωνίας που δεν τα εγκρίνει. Να που εσείς μπερδεύετε τους συνεργάτες του κατακτητή με εκείνους που αντιστέκονται στην κατοχή.
Translation:
In any case our rights have been violated for long time already by the occupation force. We can take no decision at all with our free will. The population that has been transfered to our land from abroad has long become larger than our own. The administration - puppet - that the ocupation force install here can aprove all these. However, there is one important part of our society that does not aprove these. You confuse the ones that colaborate with the occupation force with the ones who resist the occupation.

As I said in my previews posts we are not the ones that confuse this, but TCs themselves. Levent said that there is an "important" part of the TC community that does not approve all this. But how important is this important part? Is it 50%+ important, or 10-20% important?

As I explained already the superprivilages in RoC were given to the 18% TC minority, the TC community as a whole. As I said above there can be only one TC community, just like there can be only one GC community.

Would the TCs (forget about Turkey) accept if the GCs that voted "yes" in the referendum went to them and asked to give them back the land and the (few) benefits they would receive according to that plan, while TCs would get nothing since the "other GCs" didn't accept the plan?

As you understand the communities should take 1 decision and have one leadership.

So what remains is for Levent to tell us how "important" (sizewise) is the percentage of TCs that does not accept the illegalities of the "trnc" and the occupation. If this percentage is the majority of TCs then they, with the help of RoC, should make their voice heard around the world. If this is done succesfuly then the EU, UN etc will stop to recognize Talad and his gang as the leaders of the TC community. In this way the voice of Levent will be concidered the voice of the TC community and the voice of Talad.

Unfortunately apart from Levent and some people that can be counted to the fingers of one hand, we don't listen to many TCs supporting Levents opinion. Therefore we are forced to accept that the opinion of the TC community as a whole is not the one of Levent (unfortunately) but the one of Talad.

Of course the law obeying Turkich Cypriots should receive all the rights (and responsibilities) of the rest of Cypriots without any kind of discrimination. What they can not receive are the superprivilages that were designed for the whole TC community, which for now is represented by Talad and not Levent.

[sadik]

I would like to see the current RoC calling for the Turkish Cypriots to come elect their members of the parliament and the vice president. If a substantial number of people vote, then the results will be valid. From the percentage of the people who will vote, we will see if the TCs support this idea or not. Anything else is mere sepeculation.

Today, the situation is not like you put it. Papadopoulos is trying to sideline Talat by questioning his legitimacy and talking directly to Turkey. He and the Greek Cyriot leadership are trying to put the Turkish Cypriots aside and negotiate with Turkey. Turkey does not have a problem with keeping us waiting for another 20 years and then sacrifying the TC rights in Cyprus if its going to get something better, i.e. a EU membership. Papadopoulos and the GC leadership does not have a problem with that exact same thing. Well, we have a problem. If Talat is not legitimate, then let us elect our legitimate leaders.

I strongly believe that this idea will gain a lot of momentum and support, if people start believing that it's possible. And if it happens, I strongly believe that we'll achieve a permanent solution much more easily and much sooner.