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[bakala]

i am always prepared to enter in sensible debate and thank you Strahd for your well mannerd reply;
However your reply only confirms my own thoughts: i am talking about Cypriots not Greeks or Turks both of which i admire and hope am friends with.
i am talking about Cypriots:
In england we have catholics Protestants followers of ISlam and evry other religion under the sun: but when the chips are down and the country faces a challenge they are all englishmen , or i hope they are.
It is not a good thing to divide the cypriot people into ethnic groups they are Cypriots and it is thier Island, i jsut believe they should be free to rule themselves in peace without outside interference thats all,
It is outside interference and the greedy people of power who divide these Hospitable people, and i will never believe that one Cypriot wants to kill another just for the sake of a political point of view

Jim

[djtrax98]

My dear friend Jim,

The root cause of this problem is that there is no such thing as a Cypriot nation. It is a bi cultural, bi ethnical country and the solution and freedom will come when both communities respect each other for what they are, Greeks and Turks. Then and only then balance, legallity and peace will be established in the roots of this troubled land. Dreams of a Cypriot nation will only lead to what happend in the past. This actually foreign brought idea did not work in the past and will not work in the future it is proven...

THIS IS HYPOCRISY.
There is no such thing as a cypriot nation? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS!
There is no bi cultural bi ethnics here! Are you dreaming? We are a European country which still sees and treats foreigners to our beautiful island as second class citizens. We are one of the ONLY countries in Europe still requiring work visas for European Citizens who come to work here, and we are the ONLY country who still has racism engrained into the society because we see our beatiful country as GREEK and everyone else must fit and adapt to this or LEAVE. That is a FACT.
How can you justify a 45 year old Cypriot returning to his country with his wife and children from living abroad, and forcing him to do military service for the good of his country, during which time he will be frowned upon looked upon as a 'foreigner' because he has been living abroad and then sent into society with the title 'repatriated citizen'?
And dreams of living in a cypriot nation is NOT a foreign idea it is reality prior to the invasion people lived side by side hand in hand harmoniously. That is until we destroyed ourselves as a nation fighting between us. That is what separated Cyprus and that is what is still keeping cyprus apart.
If you dont agree with me then answer me this:
If it doesnt work:
Where on earth did the 'cyprus coffee come from? Or most of our foods, which by the way are PROVEN to originate from Arab and Turkish cuisine? This is a fact (excluding pork obviously)
I AM LUCKY. I can see the bigger picture and recongnise that both sides are to blame. You my friend cannot. And for that i am truly sorry, for you and the rest of Cyprus citizens who think like you. Because as long as thoughts are like this on our beatiful island, our refugees homes will be nothing but a distant memory, engrained in pictures and mind.

[bakala]

Hi Kahlil
who was your reply to was it my original post or the reply to my original post ?
its best mate to name the person who your reply is to, so to avoid confusion
Just so evryone knows

i am curently a Uk citizen moving to Cyprus in 3 weeks to live out my life hopefully in peace, on an island of kind hospitable people. i will bring my wealth ( not a lot ) and my wisdom ( less than a lot )
i wil also bring something precious which i do have a lot of
Tolerence for other peoples views and a determination that they have a right to air those views without being insulting or recriminating
this should be a discussion forum with a view to solving a problem, lets hope grown up mature people can discuss the very important topic of Cyprus and its future without picking at old wounds that will never heal if people keep picking them .

Jim

[Tony-4497]

I believe that the Republic should respect the 1960 constitution and allow its law-abiding TC citizens to have their constitutional, property and other rights.

At the same time, citizenship carries obligations as well as rights.

I am sure that there must be a law in the 1960 constitution which would suggest that any RoC citizens who live or have lived in the occupied areas, have received a "TRNC" "citizenship", paid taxes to "TRNC" etc, have committed a very serious crime (possibly treason) against their country of citizenship RoC, as they have actively supported the invaders and occupiers of the RoC and the illegal entity set up on land stolen from the RoC. These people have been paying taxes which have been used to buy guns for use against their country of citizenship!!

Accordingly, to obey the 1960 constitution, the RoC should arrest the 78 TCs, organise a fair trial to examine possible crimes committed against the RoC (as above), make them serve any applicable sentence, and allow them to vote and stand for election upon release from jail.

[djtrax98]

hELLO BAKALA,
Sorry my reply was to Strahds comments on the previous page.
I agree with you.
Unfortunately not everyone can see the big picture. Many people here speak with hatred and poison to fellow human beings over this because everyone thinks they are right.
What i have been trying to get across to people is that there is wrongs to both sides. What many people here are not understanding is exactly that, the attitude seems to be very pro Cypriotism which is wrong. Instead people let it get personal.
I posted something last night which said that as an English Cypriot citizen living in Cyprus born and bred here i have been brought up to hear out both sides of the story allowing me to make my own mind up about the situation.
Instantly i got a response back from a moderator who not only attacked me personally but also attacked my parents also.
I dont appreciate in being attacked in this manner. I just like many others have a view which is neither biased or one sided. Its a shame other people dont share my views, becasue if they did everyone would be able to join up in this forum and talk like civilised human beings with patience and discretion.
Instead it has turned into a slanging match with pro Cyprus and pro Turkish battling it out in words.
I have had enough of talking to people who dont listen. I wont stand for anyone attacking me or my family here again when i wrote an objective piece not slanging anyone, all i said was there are 2 sides to and every story and there are wrongs and rights on every story.
For that i have been attacked.
And then we look to solve the Cyprus Problem with people like that.
Look outside your window. Is that a flock of flying pigs i see heading north?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[djtrax98]

Tony-4497
I believe that the Republic should respect the 1960 constitution and allow its law-abiding TC citizens to have their constitutional, property and other rights.

At the same time, citizenship carries obligations as well as rights.

I am sure that there must be a law in the 1960 constitution which would suggest that any RoC citizens who live or have lived in the occupied areas, have received a "TRNC" "citizenship", paid taxes to "TRNC" etc, have committed a very serious crime (possibly treason) against their country of citizenship RoC, as they have actively supported the invaders and occupiers of the RoC and the illegal entity set up on land stolen from the RoC. These people have been paying taxes which have been used to buy guns for use against their country of citizenship!!

Accordingly, to obey the 1960 constitution, the RoC should arrest the 78 TCs, organise a fair trial to examine possible crimes committed against the RoC (as above), make them serve any applicable sentence, and allow them to vote and stand for election upon release from jail.

NOW WHY CANT WE HAVE MORE OBJECTIVITY LIKE TONY INSTEAD OF OVER INFLATED PATRIOTISM?
This is a debate, not an attacking ground. Thank you Tony you speak sense on this issue.

[Strahd]

I am sure that there must be a law in the 1960 constitution which would suggest that any RoC citizens who live or have lived in the occupied areas, have received a "TRNC" "citizenship", paid taxes to "TRNC" etc, have committed a very serious crime (possibly treason) against their country of citizenship RoC, as they have actively supported the invaders and occupiers of the RoC and the illegal entity set up on land stolen from the RoC. These people have been paying taxes which have been used to buy guns for use against their country of citizenship!!

A constitution does not have any laws... it is a constitution of establishment. How could a constitution designed in 1960 have rules about what happend in 1974 and 1983?

[Tony-4497]

A constitution does not have any laws... it is a constitution of establishment. How could a constitution designed in 1960 have rules about what happend in 1974 and 1983?

Without being an expert, I believe it is common sense that either the constitution or the laws of the 1960 Republic (and those of ANY state in the world) contain provisions which punish actions by citizens which directly or indirectly harm the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country.

In this case, I believe that the 78 TC RoC citizens may indeed have a right to vote, stand for election etc, but ONLY AFTER they get punished for the support they provided to the invaders and occupiers of part of their country of citizenship (RoC) and AFTER they have stopped providing such support through being "TRNC" citizens, paying taxes to it etc.

These guys have already stated they will go to the ECHR to demand full election righs under the 1960 constitution. Unless the RoC takes a hard stand and enforces the law against those who are "TRNC" citizens but also want to have full rights as RoC citizens, we will end up with TCs having their pie and eating it. Even Denktas's grandson, who has RoC passport, could in a few years stand for a election as Vice President of the RoC!!

As I said, with citizenship rights come obligations too! It is unthinkable (and certainly illegal) that someone would become a member of parliament of the RoC while at the same time being a citizen, resident and tax-payer and hence active supporter of an illegal entity set up on area brutally stolen from the same RoC and ethnically cleansed.

[sadik]

I believe that the Republic should respect the 1960 constitution and allow its law-abiding TC citizens to have their constitutional, property and other rights.

At the same time, citizenship carries obligations as well as rights.

I am sure that there must be a law in the 1960 constitution which would suggest that any RoC citizens who live or have lived in the occupied areas, have received a "TRNC" "citizenship", paid taxes to "TRNC" etc, have committed a very serious crime (possibly treason) against their country of citizenship RoC, as they have actively supported the invaders and occupiers of the RoC and the illegal entity set up on land stolen from the RoC. These people have been paying taxes which have been used to buy guns for use against their country of citizenship!!

Those enclaved GCs who still stay in the north are also paying taxes to the TRNC. Maybe you should start with sending them to prison first. Since when has living under occupation been a crime? Not to mention those traitors who conspired against the Republic of Cyprus by trying to unite with another foreign country.

Accordingly, to obey the 1960 constitution, the RoC should arrest the 78 TCs, organise a fair trial to examine possible crimes committed against the RoC (as above), make them serve any applicable sentence, and allow them to vote and stand for election upon release from jail.

Good prize for those TCs who see the RoC as their state and want to excercize their rights granted under the constitution. Makes you want to be a good citizen.

[NeverSayGoodbye]

Those turkish cypriots wanted to be in both Parliaments.In the Legal one and in the So called one claiming the constitution of 1960.
Somebody is underestimating our intelligence.We know well your games.